Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[scifisam]

Bloody Hell. I just watched the Jo O'Meara interview. I feel so sorry for that woman. She's broken.

(added to this post so that people don't have to go back and search for it in other posts).

 

[Yossarian]

Some of the tabloids seem to be going completely mental over the whole thing – “Let’s relentlessly hound and vilify these women for as long as possible, that’ll really ram home the message that bullying is wrong!”

 

[pk]

Some of the tabloids seem to be going completely mental over the whole thing – “Let’s relentlessly hound and vilify these women for as long as possible, that’ll really ram home the message that bullying is wrong!”

Yup, that's it.

Almost like the Scum is saying "call that bullying? THIS is bullying!".

Fucking hypocritical wankers.

I hope Ross Kemp hits you back next time, Wade!

 

[ymu]

That is horrible. This will have fizzled away in a few weeks, why don't endemol look after her properly?

Both Endemol AND Jo's agents issued statements (included in the GMTV report after the interview was shown) saying that they had offered her help and support - basically saying she was lying about not getting anything from them in that interview.

Death threats are well out of order and I agree about the hypocrisy of the press bullying her, but she hasn't accepted any responsibility at all. It's all been twisted, edited, misunderstood - none of this is her fault. I'm sure the Mirror did do a hatchet job on her, but she has to have approached the interview with something of the attitude they portray or the story would have been very different. Watching that GMTV interview just confirms it, IMO.

It was nasty nasty stuff to watch, and Jo and Danielle pissed me off as much as Jade did. Jade was in a weird situation - really upset by the way her mother was behaving towards Shilpa and generally, then Jackiey getting called to the Diary Room never to come back due to a surprise eviction, upsetting her even more. When it all kicked off over the Oxo cubes, it was Jo and Danielle who ganged up and encouraged it to become a bullying situation, rather than Jade just shooting her big gob off.

Jo can't expect to come out and claim that it didn't happen "like that" when we saw it - classic playground bullying behaviour. It looks to me like she ignored advice from Endemol and her agents, swanned into an interview with the Mirror to defend herself without stopping to wonder whether maybe there was something she should be apologetic about and is now panicking because it's all gone so horribly wrong.

 

[pk]

Both Endemol AND Jo's agents issued statements (included in the GMTV report after the interview was shown) saying that they had offered her help and support - basically saying she was lying about not getting anything from them in that interview.

I'd love to what constitutes "help and support" on Endemol's planet, with various programmes in 24 countries, I seriously doubt they give a flying fuck about what happens to a former S-Club Seven singer.

Jo can't expect to come out and claim that it didn't happen "like that" when we saw it - classic playground bullying behaviour..

What exactly did "we" see from Jo specifically then?

Looks to me like there was a huge row with Jade, then Jade was ejected, and then left to their own devices they sorted it out like adults, without the manipulative interference of the Bermondsey beast coming down around them all like a fucking chavalanche.

They looked to be getting on fine before evictions began again.

But no, the great British public wanted their pound of flesh...

I have a sneaking suspicion that having poured all it's hate onto Jade to prove that they're not racist, the hordes of uneducated opinionated ignorant bigotted fucks that constitute the majority of Big Brother's viewing public turned on Jo because they'd lost their pikey princess, they'd destroyed the Jade Goody myth of working class girl done good, and they felt bereft of their hero, and that frustration manifested itself into further self-righteous hatred.

Good job she's not a paediatrician...

 

[wishface]

Some of the tabloids seem to be going completely mental over the whole thing – “Let’s relentlessly hound and vilify these women for as long as possible, that’ll really ram home the message that bullying is wrong!”

Isn't it wonderful how the tabloids are able to solve the problems of the many by crucifying the few :GIANT ROLLING EYES MELTING SOCKETS ICON:

That said i still think there's something iffy about that interview and i haven't seen anyone else comment on that interview or mention it because, if its true, its certainy very uncomfortable.

 

[wishface]

Just watched the second half of that O'Meara clip.

Fucking disgusting - Endemol/Channel 4 have a duty of care to that woman, and this is hopefully going to destroy those responsible for putting her into that state.

There's no way she's faking that, she's in utter shock, post-traumatic stress.

Right now my contempt is not for her or Danielle or Jade for that matter, it's for the hidden people who have said nothing and done nothing to resolve this issue - they've just left her out to dry.

it's not so much her behaviour i question in respect of the sincerity of the interview, its the interviewers. It didn't seem right to me.

No one deserves death threats, such behaviour is childish and pathetic and should be prosecuted, but, assuming what we saw on BB was valid enough to comment on (big if), Jo did behave badly. Let's not forget that. Certainly Endemol has a duty of care and certainly people should give her the chance to improve herself (i don't think she's comparable to Combat 18), but she is responsible for her part in this.

 

[newbie]

I'd love to what constitutes "help and support" on Endemol's planet

what do you think they should be doing?

This thread has been full of people demanding something must be done. Now that the show has more or less played itself out, is there any consensus about what Endemol and/or channel 4 should have done differently at any stage?

what should have been done to protect Shilpa before or during it all kicking off?

what should have been done to discipline or punish the three young women while they were in the house?

should the Jackiey, Jade or Jo/Jack evictions have been handled differently?

and now that they're out the house and back with their families and professional PR teams, what should Endemol or C4 be doing to protect, help or support the women?

 

[rorymac]

I don't know how anyone could enjoy watching anyone else be destroyed live on tv no matter what they did or didn't do. Now if anyone reckons Jo O Meara was pretending to be devastated live on tv having had time to see how much every halfwit on earth despises her they must get lots of things very incorrect every day. They'll not be good judges of mood as a rule and so their emotions are perpetually out of kilter .. laughing when nonplussed for example or telling you to get off the fucking phone when they have rung you. But forget that anyway.
Jo is every common maaan's missus .. she could be Sylvie Popple (Jimmy Popple's missus) or Geraldine Kemp (Bobby Kemp's missus) or she could even be Tina Mortgage (Terry Mortgage's missus) and so on and so forth. She's like yer Aunty Berni or Sue Ellen Ewing x (J.R Ewing's missus ) .. she's even like Pamela, Lucy or Miss Ellie I'll bet.
The only doris she's not like is Agnus. That's it.
Agnus was stroppy enough to be fair. For fuck sake .. she aint the same as Mrs Parton either but noone else that's final!! Keep music live for god sakes. Anyway forget that.
It's a fucking disgrace what's happening to those folks and no mistake. It makes no fucking difference to anything except more incorrectness when the people who ought to hang don't even find it amusing anymore how much they can take the piss out of everyone and ruin any poor fucker they want on a whim and intelligent people will applaud them and vote for their puppets.
It's very important that if you are going to create a deliberate potentially inflammatory situation with everyone watching then you must be not only a bit smart but you must definitely have to know which emotion is which and you mustn't go silent and contemplative when it all kicks off.
I have a friend who lost touch with me when he found my book of his quotes and tales of his kinky liaisons with Diana from Kensington. She lived in Cheyne Walk next door to Ilya Kuriakin and me and Ilya used to lol at the things he used to get her to do. She wouldn't do them for Ilya or me like but we were 'just a pair of jealous cun*s' .. just because we weren't tv executives. My mate wasn't either but he said he was and now he is. I fuckin always reckoned he was dodgy .. too right.
'Yeah that's really gonna happen lol lol lol' is what she said when we asked her !
There's the incorrect emotion thing again. Three lol's when it aint even a bit funny ??? :0|
It is cruel and sinister and I'd say that even if it was Kelvin Mackenzie who found himself in Jo O Meara's shoes. Noone knows what exactly triggered what but as always it's the wrong people paying a huge price for being like everyone else's missus and who are probably no more or less racist than every fucker that ever lived.
Jo aint like Audrey Ferik either and that's fucking it .. no more.

 

[felixthecat]

I LOVE rorymac

Most sense made on this thread for ages

 

[milesy]

Cheyne Walk

that's near my work, sort of.

 

[pk]

what do you think they should be doing?

This thread has been full of people demanding something must be done. Now that the show has more or less played itself out, is there any consensus about what Endemol and/or channel 4 should have done differently at any stage?

what should have been done to protect Shilpa before or during it all kicking off?

what should have been done to discipline or punish the three young women while they were in the house?

should the Jackiey, Jade or Jo/Jack evictions have been handled differently?

and now that they're out the house and back with their families and professional PR teams, what should Endemol or C4 be doing to protect, help or support the women?

Endemol should have called Jade into the diary room the moment she stood up and went for Shilpa yelling "why lie? why lie?" like they have done every other time it looked like housemates were confronting each other.

They let it get to this situation deliberately, and have given no hint to Jo the depth of public feeling until now, unlike Jade who was warned, nay briefed, an hour before her interview.

 

[ymu]

I'd love to what constitutes "help and support" on Endemol's planet, with various programmes in 24 countries, I seriously doubt they give a flying fuck about what happens to a former S-Club Seven singer.

They have various psychs/media advisors etc on hand to debrief/prepare them once they're out. And it's not just Endemol - her agents also claim she's bullshitting about getting no support.

What exactly did "we" see from Jo specifically then?

When Shilpa appealed for help/a voice of reason in the Big Row, she laughed in her face. She was practically rubbing her hands in glee whenever there was any tension mounting or Jade was going off on one. There was a lot of belittling bitching behind Shilpa's back - like claiming that Indians are thin because they undercook chicken and are always ill, and being disgusted at the idea of people eating with their hands. These comments did not come out of nowhere - they were part of the "bonding" against Shilpa.

Looks to me like there was a huge row with Jade, then Jade was ejected, and then left to their own devices they sorted it out like adults, without the manipulative interference of the Bermondsey beast coming down around them all like a fucking chavalanche.

They looked to be getting on fine before evictions began again.

Indeed, Shilpa was treated with a great deal more respect once Endemol/Channel 4 stepped in and told them that their behaviour wasn't going down well outside the house - a couple of days before Jade was evicted. Then Dirk started getting it in the neck, and Jo sat there rubbing her hands with glee and egging Cleo on, positively looking forward to the possibility of Dirk completely losing it if they harrassed him enough. Her behaviour was downright nasty throughout and it would probably do her a lot of good to realise exactly why people took such exception to it. Personally, I don't think it was the perceived racism as much as the blatant bullying and downright unpleasantness which hit a nerve for most people.

But no, the great British public wanted their pound of flesh...

I have a sneaking suspicion that having poured all it's hate onto Jade to prove that they're not racist, the hordes of uneducated opinionated ignorant bigotted fucks that constitute the majority of Big Brother's viewing public turned on Jo because they'd lost their pikey princess, they'd destroyed the Jade Goody myth of working class girl done good, and they felt bereft of their hero, and that frustration manifested itself into further self-righteous hatred.

Good job she's not a paediatrician...

You may or may not be uneducated, but opinionated ignorant bigoted fuck would appeared to sum you up nicely enough.

 

[ymu]

They let it get to this situation deliberately, and have given no hint to Jo the depth of public feeling until now, unlike Jade who was warned, nay briefed, an hour before her interview.

Bollocks. Jade and Jo and Danielle were all interviewed in the diary room prior to Jade's eviction, which gave them a very good idea of what was going on at that point. It was openly discussed in the house, including the fact that they were being accused of racism. In addition, and very unusually, Jo and Jack were taken out of the house before the break in the final show - so they were also out of the house for some time before they were interviewed, instead of being marched straight into the studio as is usual.

 

[Structaural]

Bollocks. Jade and Jo and Danielle were all interviewed in the diary room prior to Jade's eviction, which gave them a very good idea of what was going on at that point. It was openly discussed in the house, including the fact that they were being accused of racism. In addition, and very unusually, Jo and Jack were taken out of the house before the break in the final show - so they were also out of the house for some time before they were interviewed, instead of being marched straight into the studio as is usual.

Jo was evicted with Cleo a day before.

 

[ymu]

Jo was evicted with Cleo a day before.

I knew there was something wrong there - thanks!

They were taken out at the end of the first half, before the one hour break, not at the beginning of the second half. I don't recall this ever happening before.

 

[pk]

Bollocks. Jade and Jo and Danielle were all interviewed in the diary room prior to Jade's eviction, which gave them a very good idea of what was going on at that point. It was openly discussed in the house, including the fact that they were being accused of racism. In addition, and very unusually, Jo and Jack were taken out of the house before the break in the final show - so they were also out of the house for some time before they were interviewed, instead of being marched straight into the studio as is usual.

Bullshit, they weren't briefed in the same way Jade was an hour before her interview with Davina.

I take it you're happy to see O'Meara in that state then?

Good for you. You've been successfully manipulated along with all the Sun reading vermin who are practically baying for her suicide then.

 

[ymu]

Bullshit, they weren't briefed in the same way Jade was an hour before her interview with Davina.

I take it you're happy to see O'Meara in that state then?

Good for you. You've been successfully manipulated along with all the Sun reading vermin who are practically baying for her suicide then.

Why was she taken out of the house an hour earlier than normal if it wasn't for some kind of briefing?

And don't be a twat. I'm not happy to see her in that state and nowhere have I said or indicated that I was. I just find it hard to muster up any sympathy when she doesn't seem able to even acknowledge that her behaviour was in any way at fault. I think she's in that state because she doesn't know how else to deal with it - the classic reaction of a bully when they're confronted, do/say anything to wriggle out of it/make people feel sorry for them and don't accept any responsibility.

I've no idea what the "Sun reading vermin" as you so disparagingly describe them are baying for. I don't read it - I have nothing against their readership but their editorial staff and proprietor are beneath contempt, so I prefer to avoid it. My opinion is based on what I've seen, not what I've read. Funnily enough, your macho snobbish posturing isn't changing my mind.

 

[Louloubelle]

All the bullies were stupid racists but it's unsurprising that, in an environment like CBB their racism became apparent.

There are probably millions more people in the UK who are much more racist than them but who voted to evict them and then congratulated themselves on how not-racist they are for doing so.

Now this is what I call real celebrity racism, and she's got not excuse, she wasn't locked up in a pressure cooker designed to bring out the worst of people's characters. she's like this every day. Allegedly
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/10392004.htm



also apparently some old diaries of her's, with racist comments in have surfaced and will soon be on the www

 

[wishface]

To be fair to Jo, she was very insecure during her stay in the house, prone to panic attacks and anxiety also she reguarly made mention that she felt something was amiss with the situation.

Strange then that the tabloid interview over the weekend (which i havent read) found it very easily, apparently, to protray her in the worst way.

Maybe she really is distressed; once again the respnsibility lies with Endemol and C4, above all else. They are the real cultprits in this sordid affair.

 

[exosculate]

To be fair to Jo, she was very insecure during her stay in the house, prone to panic attacks and anxiety also she reguarly made mention that she felt something was amiss with the situation.

Strange then that the tabloid interview over the weekend (which i havent read) found it very easily, apparently, to protray her in the worst way.

Maybe she really is distressed; once again the respnsibility lies with Endemol and C4, above all else. They are the real cultprits in this sordid affair.

I think she is genuinely distressed wishface. She deserved to be pulled up on her actions in the house, but does not deserve to be in that state.

 

[Louloubelle]

I heard that jermaine is going to ask Jo to sing on one of his songs to help her save her house /career

Anyon else heard about this or is someone winding me up?

if it is true, it just goes to emphasise what a lovely bloke he is.

I *heart* jermaine

Interesting piece here in the Times of India

I feel worried that Jo might try to kill herself. Apparently she has a history of gambling addiction, panic attacks and bulimia. I don't think she's very well and I don't think she should ever have gone into the house.

Yes she's racist but racism is eveywhere and we all have to check ourselves for it IMO. My disgust at Endemol grows by the day in this sorry affair

I hope that she's getting the support she needs to regain her mental health and I hope she gains the strength and internal resources that she needs to look in the mirror and see her racism and bullying, feel genuine remorse and guilt, and move on and grow to be a better person

It's quite clear to me that right now she doesn't have the sufficient internal resources to do this, but bullying her won't help things

 

[pk]

Strange then that the tabloid interview over the weekend (which i havent read) found it very easily, apparently, to protray her in the worst way.

Grant Hodgson And Nikhita Mahajan who did that Sunday Mirror hatchet job would find it very easy to spin a load of bollocks to discredit people.

Grant Hodgson is a fucking cunt, and it seems a bit of a sex pest - witness his expose on an innocent female student who must have been comparably upset with this:

http://www.cherwell.org/news/escort_service_targeted_by_journalists

And look at Mahajan's work on Russell Brand (a client of John Noel):

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17174040&method=full&siteid=62484-name_page.html

Sure, it's easy for these tossers to portray anyone in a bad light, it's what they get paid for.

 

[ymu]

I've no doubt she's genuinely distressed, and it's upsetting to watch. I just think she got herself into this mess - firstly by acting so badly in the house and then compounding the error by, presumably, ignoring any advice she had when she did get out, which may be why her agents aren't backing up her statements. I haven't heard anything from her except denials and accusations of others - from what I can see, the Mirror interview just magnifies that attitude.

Maybe I missed some of her better moments in the house, but all I saw was a deeply negative person who only seemed to cheer up when someone else was being bullied by one of her "mates" and she could feel part of the gang by joining in. If she can't see what's wrong with that - and apparently she can't - then she's going to have to deal with the reaction. It's celebrity BB and they all know how "celebrities" are dealt with by the UK media - all the UK-based ones do, anyway. It's ugly and hypocritical and all sorts of nastiness, but she chose to go on the show to get attention from the media - live by the sword, die by the sword, etc etc. I'm amazed at how badly she's handled it given that she does have media-savvy people to advise her. It was never going to be easy, but she's just making it worse with denials and trivialising it and blaming it on everyone else but herself.

 

[pk]

And here's what Brand thought of Nikhita Mahajan's "expose" :
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Russell Brand has hit back at a tabloid journalist who targeted him in a typical‘honey trap’ sting.

Undercover Sunday Mirror journalist Nikhita Mahajan approached Brand after a London comedy gig last week, and persuaded him to take her back to his flat.

But once there she refused to even kiss him – but instead took note of his increasingly desperate seduction lines, which she published in today’s newspaper under the headline ‘Night I Was Branded’.

On his 6 Music show today, Brand, who was targeted because of his dalliances with Kate Moss, said: ‘Entrapment is what it is.

‘She was this journalist coming back to my flat offering, err, fun to say the least, but she turned out to be tiresome. Turns out it was all a big trick to write about me.

‘She should be ashamed. She has told needless, senseless lies about old Russ.’

‘Remember I’m single, with no kids. So if after a gig a girl swans up to me, I think “nice”. It’s a bit of a hobby.’

Calling the story ‘a kiss and tell tale without any kiss’, Brand claimed the quotes attributed to him were ‘odd and untrue’.

Mahajan claimed he begged her: ‘I am a sexy wild man and you're nice and soft...let me hold you. Oh hot love, hot lips’ and ‘If you let me kiss you, you'll feel better. Look into my eyes... Please let me see your sexy body. Please let me touch you and stuff. How can you resist?’

He is also reported to have told her: ‘I'm sure you're great at conversation but right now all I'm really interested in is getting you into bed’ and ‘just forget Kate, she's irrelevant. I prefer women with a bit of meat on them anyway’.

‘I don’t say stuff like that,’ said Brand, who turns 31 today. ‘I never said any of them things. I’d be so embarrassed to say that.’

Mahajan approached Brand after a show at Lowdown At The Albany last week, where she said he was ‘beating off adoring fans, signing autographs and posing for pictures’.

‘You, my dear, look very interesting,’ the now teetotal ex-heroin addict reportedly said. ‘I'm Russell. Barman - make that two mineral waters.’

‘Who says, “Barman”? it’s not a Western,’ he told listeners on his BBC Radio show. He also denied having a Jacuzzi and a giant-screen TV, like the ‘bachelor pad’ described in the paper.
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[exosculate]

Well.....

I *heart* jermaine

Totally, he's a lovely man.

Yes she's racist but racism is eveywhere and we all have to check ourselves for it IMO. My disgust at Endemol grows by the day in this sorry affair

Racism or not, the state she was in, in that interview, was awful, and i feel compassion for her.

I hope that she's getting the support she needs to regain her mental health and I hope she gains the strength and internal resources that she needs to look in the mirror and see her racism and bullying, feel genuine remorse and guilt, and move on and grow to be a better person

Fair enough

It's quite clear to me that right now she doesn't have the sufficient internal resources to do this, but bullying her won't help things

Bullying never helps anything, making someone aware of their failings should never become bullying or an attempt to destroy someone.

 

[pk]

from what I can see, the Mirror interview just magnifies that attitude.

Except it's more than likely to be a load of bollocks invented by dirty tabloid hacks with no concept of the term "journalistic integrity", have a look at the above links and judge for yourself.

 

[ymu]

I hope that she's getting the support she needs to regain her mental health and I hope she gains the strength and internal resources that she needs to look in the mirror and see her racism and bullying, feel genuine remorse and guilt, and move on and grow to be a better person

It's quite clear to me that right now she doesn't have the sufficient internal resources to do this, but bullying her won't help things

Agreed, on all counts.

 

[wishface]

Grant Hodgson And Nikhita Mahajan who did that Sunday Mirror hatchet job would find it very easy to spin a load of bollocks to discredit people.

Grant Hodgson is a fucking cunt, and it seems a bit of a sex pest - witness his expose on an innocent female student who must have been comparably upset with this:

http://www.cherwell.org/news/escort_service_targeted_by_journalists

And look at Mahajan's work on Russell Brand (a client of John Noel):

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17174040&method=full&siteid=62484-name_page.html

Sure, it's easy for these tossers to portray anyone in a bad light, it's what they get paid for.

seems like Jo needs better support staff and better management.

 

[Louloubelle]

but she's a singer with a pop group

you occasionally get fearsomely intelligent, mentally sorted, emotionally literate / mature people in that situation but as you must know, many singers are prone to all kinds of narcissistic and emotional problems

she went in the house because she was desperate for money due to her gambling addiction and is about to lose her home

in the stanford prison experiment the vounteers were all tested and found to be emotionally stable before being put in a stressful environment where the vast majority of those who were given power abused it in the most awful ways and bullied the 'subordinates' mercillessly. Even the psychologists who organised the experiment ended up getting drawn into behaving sadistically and being bullies.

Jo looks like she's having some kind of breakdown and she would never have been accepted for the stamford experiement with her history of bulimia and addictions, yet people act like she's a terrible person for behaving in a bad way on CBB.

the fact is that most people act in terrible ways when under terrible stress.

I'm not saying that her racism is OK, it's not, but I think that the mechanism by which people blame her for being racist while not looking at their own shit is the same mechanism by which racism happens, that's to say it's an emotional defense mechanism where we project the disowned aspects of our own self onto others and attack them.