Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[danny la rouge]

She should do it, and she should accept the song Jermaine has offered her.

(But first, she should accept that what she did was bullying; she'll feel better in herself once she's done that).

 

[Lisarocket]

Jo is supposed to be performing at GAY this Saturday, they have got a poll on their web site to see if she should or not.

I read somewhere today that Bradley is replacing her at the GAY gig.

 

[pk]

PK, since nobody else is picking you up on calling Jade and Jackiey White Trash, and mocking Jackiey's disability (her "wibbly arm"), on top of calling her a "fucking pikey" etc, can I just say you're way out of order.

Not that I expect it'll make any difference, because you're so clever you can cut through the crap and say it 'like it is'. You alone have the intelligence to mock disabilities and call people "fucking pikey"; others are too stupid to do so.

They ARE pikeys, and white trash, going by their behaviour - and no amount of money or token PC standard bearers getting indignant about my slating their racist shit will change that.

Good effort though.

 

[danny la rouge]

They ARE pikeys, and white trash, going by their behaviour - and no amount of money or token PC standard bearers getting indignant about my slating their racist shit will change that.

So, taking the piss out of disability is OK, but racism isn't? (Unless it's done by you).

 

[pk]

So, taking the piss out of disability is OK, but racism isn't? (Unless it's done by you).

You're just taking this as a class issue, and you'd be among the first to slate the upper classes as inbreds, so spare me the Outraged of Orpington bullshit.

Jackeiy (however you spell her name, it's unlikely she knows how to!) has got a wibbly arm.

I don't recall any racism on my part whatsoever, feel free to provide examples.

 

[rocketman]

It really upsets me to see the Goody family waved as an example of what/who is/are working class. It's a terrible insult to the working class as a class because it assumes all members of that class are like the Goody clan. Quite clearly they are not. And the recent outcry over the actions of that clan - from all classes - shows full well that for the most part working class people reject the notion of the Goody family representing them.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't recall any racism on my part whatsoever, feel free to provide examples.

"Fucking pikey".

 

[pk]

"Fucking pikey".

Predictably wrong yet again, the word "pikey" has no direct connotations of race. Nasty word, yes, but the Goody/Budden hybrid thing that spent January on my TV is way nastier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikey

A bit like "crustie" really, and that particular word is also defined in the link above as having class related connotations; "a person from a privileged background who has 'dropped out'.

But, hate to break this to you - we are not in, say, Latin America, and the proportion of desperately poor to uber rich people enslaving them in Great Britian compared to, say, Cordoba in 1969, means there is little need for a violent militant uprising, no matter how much you might admire and wish there were a similarly fertile political struggle, with which to emulate a 'Cordobazo'.

It ain't going to happen anytime soon, no matter how many issues of Morning Star you might choose to read.

So please, save the "class struggle" arguments for similarly minded people as yourself, the general public in this country - be they working class or born with platinum spoon up arse - really don't need to be lectured about a struggle that exists mainly in the minds of middle class students.

Cheers.

 

[pk]

It really upsets me to see the Goody family waved as an example of what/who is/are working class...

I quite agree, and this is almost certainly a major reason for the huge backlash against Jade.

That and the sound of her fucking voice and the sight of her fucking face.

 

[Orangesanlemons]

To add a little note of surrealism to proceedings, if one was to tune into C5 right now one would have the pleasure of watching Danielle Lloyd playing celebrity poker with a slightly pished Ant'knee from BB6. And (god help us)... Brandon Block.

Verily, the phrase "cunt soup" has never seemed so apt. Compulsive viewing imho...

 

[pk]

Who's winning?

 

[Orangesanlemons]

Brandon Block just bluffed Ant'knee into folding with a pair of aces, the bottler.

More updates as they come in. Watch this space.

 

[Orangesanlemons]

Danielle is *wiping the floor* with the oppo at the moment and has just knocked out Jamie Foreman (z-list actor). She didn't tell him to "go back home" thankfully, although the night is still young. No mention of Teddy yet. I also just noticed that Steve "interesting" Davis is playing too, hasn't said a word yet...

This is actually more interesting than CBB. Come on Steve!

 

[pk]

has just knocked out Jamie Foreman

He's that gobby fucker from Nil By Mouth isn't he?

Looks like he was born to play a role as Danny Dwyer's dad, IMO.

 

[Orangesanlemons]

Yep, not a pretty sight.

Update: I spoke too soon - Teddy Sherringham's now had a walk-on role to support his missus (or ex-missus now). Sadly Danielle is now *out*, gubbed by a Steve Davis full house.

The final two? Ant'knee vs Leilani Dowding. Clash of the titans!

 

[Orangesanlemons]

Gasp! Ant'knee wins.
No sign of Craig either. Danielle played the canniest game (interesting for CBB watchers this year) but Ant'knee had the luck towards the end.

I think I'm going to pitch *BB poker* to Endemol. It could be a winner, think about it: Danielle, Craig, Makosi, Bez, Victor, Shahbaz and Science sat round a table in the BB house for a week, bitching, bluffing and duking it out. Surely this is the next logical step in the BB franchise?

 

[Jazzz]

Although accepted to a large degree by society, "white trash" is certainly a racist phrase.

 

[pk]

Although accepted to a large degree by society, "white trash" is certainly a racist phrase.

Even when used by white people such as you or I?

I consider it an insult directed at the mindset of people, not their skin colour, though that obviously plays a part.

Like "neocon" for example, calls to mind stubborn redneck wankers from the USA hell bent on imposing their own special brand of God fearing democracy by any means neccessary as long as they get rich doing so.

That's not racist, it's a phrase that sums up their ideology.

And the Goody ideology is to cynically attempt to hoodwink the public into thinking they are worthy of attention and reality TV contracts, imposing their screechy pithy brand of Jadeism upon the nation.

Actually I couldn't care less, can't even be fucked to finish this p

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Although accepted to a large degree by society, "white trash" is certainly a racist phrase.

oh fuck off.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Although accepted to a large degree by society, "white trash" is certainly a racist phrase.

to be fair, it's largely an anti-working class phrase, but it's not racist.

 

[danny la rouge]

to be fair, it's largely an anti-working class phrase, but it's not racist.

It is indeed anti white working class. But it is also racist to this extent: its use originated in America, where it was used by middle class whites to disown working class whites. The implication was this: "you are not meant to live like this; you are letting the side down. We expect this of poor blacks, but you shame white society with your lifestyle". So, used in this way, it was racist towards blacks by implication.

That, admittedly, is not the way it is commonly used in this country. Either way, it is an inexcusable thing to say.

 

[danny la rouge]

Predictably wrong yet again, the word "pikey" has no direct connotations of race.

It does - it means traveller. From your link: "Pikey is a pejorative slang term used in the United Kingdom, used originally to refer to Irish Travellers". You said "Fucking pikey". It was out of order.

You also took the piss out of Budden's disability. Now, whatever you think of her behaviour (and I have myself critised both her behaviour and Jade's behaviour on this thread), that does not give you the right to make comments that denigrade disability.

Your argument appears to be "they behaved badly by singling out weaknesses; I'll behave badly in the same way". Well, it doesn't give you that right; you are not some kind of superman, to whom these standards do not apply.

 

[tarannau]

Pikey I'll give you, but to claim white trash as a racist phrase, particularly given your archaic justification, seems to be over-egging the pudding somewhat.

 

[danny la rouge]

to claim white trash as a racist phrase, particularly given your archaic justification, seems to be over-egging the pudding somewhat.

I'm emphatically not claiming it is generally used in a racist way in this country. As I very clearly said.

 

[Jenerys]

It is indeed anti white working class. But it is also racist to this extent: its use originated in America, where it was used by middle class whites to disown working class whites. The implication was this: "you are not meant to live like this; you are letting the side down. We expect this of poor blacks, but you shame white society with your lifestyle". So, used in this way, it was racist towards blacks by implication.

That, admittedly, is not the way it is commonly used in this country. Either way, it is an inexcusable thing to say.

Did you nick that off of me on the digitalspy forums?

 

[Maidmarian]

It does - it means traveller. From your link: "Pikey is a pejorative slang term used in the United Kingdom, used originally to refer to Irish Travellers". You said "Fucking pikey". It was out of order.

You also took the piss out of Budden's disability. Now, whatever you think of her behaviour (and I have myself critised both her behaviour and Jade's behaviour on this thread), that does not give you the right to make comments that denigrade disability.

Your argument appears to be "they behaved badly by singling out weaknesses; I'll behave badly in the same way". Well, it doesn't give you that right; you are not some kind of superman, to whom these standards do not apply.

Well said.

 

[Jografer]

Although accepted to a large degree by society, "white trash" is certainly a racist phrase.

Why.. as the 'N' word has been reclaimed by black people to describe themselves, disabled people refer to the 'crip' movement and sections of the gay community talk about poofs/pooves, I claim the right to use 'white trash' when and how I like....

.... just a thought like.....

 

[wishface]

Why.. as the 'N' word has been reclaimed by black people to describe themselves, disabled people refer to the 'crip' movement and sections of the gay community talk about poofs/pooves, I claim the right to use 'white trash' when and how I like....

.... just a thought like.....

and i wish black peopel wouldn't use the N word.

 

[Griff]

Looks like everybody is dropping Jade like mad, and her name seems to be mud everywhere.

Here's the local Epping/Ongar paper this week. Apparently she wanted £3000 to turn on the Ongar town Christmas lights on.

 

[exosculate]

Blimey this threads gone off at a tangent.

PK - I think you know you are being provocative!