Cecil, famous Lion from Zimbabwe shot dead by Dentist from Minnesota for $55k

[weltweit]

Cecil hunter Walter Palmer 'wanted to kill an elephant after killing the lion'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-kill-an-elephant-after-killing-the-lion.html

Walter Palmer, the Minnesota dentist who shot dead Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe, asked to kill a massive elephant after shooting the protected animal – but was unable to find one sufficiently large enough, his guide has exclusively told The Telegraph.

Speaking for the first time since this newspaper revealed that Dr Palmer had fired the arrow that felled the much-loved lion, Theo Bronkhorst has given a detailed account of the July 1 hunt which, he said, went wrong from the start.
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[weltweit]

Cecil the lion - has the reaction tipped dangerously into overreaction?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ion-tipped-dangerously-into-overreaction.html

The hunter has become the hunted. The predator is now the quarry. Cecil the lion, a once-mighty symbol of the natural world, has been slain, and now it is his killer, Walter Palmer, who is on the run.

The Minnesotan dentist used a professional bow to shoot the 13-year-old lion, as it apparently offers a greater challenge for the trophy connoisseur.

The weapon of choice for his critics worldwide is the blunt instrument of social media, through which he has been bombarded not just with opprobrium but extravagant expressions of revulsion and death threats.
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[Johnny Vodka]

Cecil the lion - has the reaction tipped dangerously into overreaction?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ion-tipped-dangerously-into-overreaction.html

Maybe a bit when you see people wanting the guy dead. Personally, I think a couple of years in the clink, him never being allowed to hunt/own a weapon again and a large donation to a wildlife charity would be a suitable punishment.

I also think the outrage sends a clear message that killing animals purely for fun is something that can't and shouldn't be tolerated (I stick to my comparison earlier with going noncing abroad) - and is actually an activity to be ashamed, rather than proud, of. Maybe it'll make some people think twice before taking part?

 

[weltweit]

Johnny Vodka I think the reaction against Cecil's killing is good, it sends a message that lots of people around the world don't approve of trophy hunting in Africa.

But it has brought to my attention that the USA is the biggest importer of Lion trophies in the world, and that so called "canned hunting" where a bred for purpose animal is let out into an enclosure with a full belly ready to be shot by a so called hunter is rife in Africa. Lions and even Tigers are bred for this end.

"Canned hunting" seems especially barbaric, the animals having absolutely no chance at all and having been bred in captivity for the purpose of being shot, having had no life so to speak at all prior to their demise.

There has definitely been a rise in safaris where animals are only shot with cameras but this Cecil episode, and that of the king of Spain killing an Elephant in recent years, highlight that trophy hunting is still very popular among a particular group of people.

Until wildlife is valued more for sightseeing and photography than it is for hunting, and lets not forget, Palmer paid $55,000 US to shoot a Lion and wanted to go on to shoot a large Elephant for which he would have paid another large sum, there may be no realistic hope to be rid of hunting in Africa.

 

[weltweit]

Palmer killing Cecil was worth $55k to the local economy, but how much could Cecil have earned over his whole life in fees paid by people on Safari with only cameras or binoculars? My bet is Cecil would have made more dollars alive than dead.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's two of your posts liked in one day Welty.

You are right, however two of my punters have just returned from Botswana, £3000 a night their safari lodge cost. There are lots of rich people out there prepared to pay big money to shoot with cameras, these hunting fuckers need to know that most people think they are scum. In fact they do know, as this prick acknowledges in that he won't talk about his "passion" to his punters cos he knows they'll think he's a cunt. Which he is. The cunt.

 

[weltweit]

To broaden the thread out a little into hunting in Africa in general, this American hunter Corey Knowlton bid $350,000 for a permit to hunt and kill a black rhino in Namibia. He won the bidding and went on to hunt and kill a black rhino.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/19/africa/namibia-rhino-hunt/

Nearly 18 months ago, the Texas hunter bid $350,000 to kill a black rhinoceros in the southern African country of Namibia. The permit was issued by Namibia's Ministry of Environment and Tourism and auctioned by the Dallas Safari Club.
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[bendeus]

I wonder if there would be any uptake among the trophy hunting fraternity of a hypothetical 'tech solution' to the opprobrium they're receiving that allows them to continue to 'interact' with big game in Africa. You can tag an animal, right, and with wild and endangered populations this is common in order to track movements with telemetry. So it would therefore be possible to have some kind of wild animal laser tag system, whereby the hunter gets to use his skillz and knowledge to track, stalk and 'bag' a collared/tagged beast, with a 'kill' registered by a buzz on his laser modified weapon of choice and logged in an online hall of fame with trophy points awarded for shots taken, distance from quarry, clean kill, etc.

This is vaguely tongue-in-cheek and I'm fully aware that there would be no uptake at all. These fucks actually like the power inherent in act of both having the means to pay to kill and then killing the animal, and the trophy allows them to wank hard about it with their sociopath mates for years to come. It's a nasty extension of power. Why would they go for some 'virtual' second best option that simply enables them to test their skills against mother nature and lets the beast walk free.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Johnny Vodka

But it has brought to my attention that the USA is the biggest importer of Lion trophies in the world, and that so called "canned hunting" where a bred for purpose animal is let out into an enclosure with a full belly ready to be shot by a so called hunter is rife in Africa. Lions and even Tigers are bred for this end.

The end result of "Entitlement Capitalism." There's an attitude amoung our superrich that they can do anything they want because they "earned" their money. Never mind the ill effects on other people and the planet. Anyone who complains is just jealous. (Not certain its entirely an American form of moral corruption, though.) I suspect it's due for a correction soon.

 

[DotCommunist]

The end result of "Entitlement Capitalism." There's an attitude amoung our superrich that they can do anything they want because they "earned" their money. Never mind the ill effects on other people and the planet. Anyone who complains is just jealous. (Not certain its entirely an American form of moral corruption, though.) I suspect, it's due for a correction soon.

no, we have an aristocracy, the upper echalons of the privately educated bourgoisie- so certainly not uniquely america. Only our lot inherited their money and don't give a shit about having 'earned through hard work' except when they are telling the rest of us what terrible cunts we are for not being rich

 

[Gingerman]

Nice to see the hunter become the hunted......

 

[likesfish]

a professional bow no the cunt has to use a bow and arrow because he's a convicted criminal not allowed a gun lieing to the feds about where you shot a bear isnt very clever.

 

[frogwoman]

Johnny Vodka I think the reaction against Cecil's killing is good, it sends a message that lots of people around the world don't approve of trophy hunting in Africa.

But it has brought to my attention that the USA is the biggest importer of Lion trophies in the world, and that so called "canned hunting" where a bred for purpose animal is let out into an enclosure with a full belly ready to be shot by a so called hunter is rife in Africa. Lions and even Tigers are bred for this end.

"Canned hunting" seems especially barbaric, the animals having absolutely no chance at all and having been bred in captivity for the purpose of being shot, having had no life so to speak at all prior to their demise.

There has definitely been a rise in safaris where animals are only shot with cameras but this Cecil episode, and that of the king of Spain killing an Elephant in recent years, highlight that trophy hunting is still very popular among a particular group of people.

Until wildlife is valued more for sightseeing and photography than it is for hunting, and lets not forget, Palmer paid $55,000 US to shoot a Lion and wanted to go on to shoot a large Elephant for which he would have paid another large sum, there may be no realistic hope to be rid of hunting in Africa.

Who are you and what have you done with weltweit?

 

[weltweit]

Who are you and what have you done with weltweit?

I have no idea what you mean ?

 

[frogwoman]

I have no idea what you mean ?

Well your posts have often been a bit uninformed tbh but that one was quite good.

 

[weltweit]

There is a petition at change.org above focussing mainly on the USA.
Signed already by 721,000 people.
Not sure it will lead to Palmer being prosecuted or extradited or whatever ..

Justice for Cecil the iconic collared lion slaughtered by trophy hunter in Zimbabwe!
https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-cecil-the-iconic-collared-lion-slaughtered-by-trophy-hunter

 

[weltweit]

Well your posts have often been a bit uninformed tbh but that one was quite good.

Well frogwoman in a way, that post of mine was not very informed because this Cecil thing has got a lot of people annoyed, myself included, especially in the USA where the trophy hunter, Mr Palmer, hails from. But in a lot of twitter traffic recently has been a new feeling which is questioning American's priorities when they pour out their anger and despair at the killing of a single lion in Africa, but seemingly don't care one iota about the continuing violent killing of black Americans at home in the states.

 

[Citizen66]

Because it's all Hollywood bullshit. Goodies and baddies. Trophy hunters are baddies. Cops are goodies. Cowboys and Indians.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Well frogwoman in a way, that post of mine was not very informed because this Cecil thing has got a lot of people annoyed, myself included, especially in the USA where the trophy hunter, Mr Palmer, hails from. But in a lot of twitter traffic recently has been a new feeling which is questioning American's priorities when they pour out their anger and despair at the killing of a single lion in Africa, but seemingly don't care one iota about the continuing violent killing of black Americans at home in the states.

Many people care about both. From the outside, killing things with guns seems to be an American obsession.

 

[xenon]

I wonder if there would be any uptake among the trophy hunting fraternity of a hypothetical 'tech solution' to the opprobrium they're receiving that allows them to continue to 'interact' with big game in Africa. You can tag an animal, right, and with wild and endangered populations this is common in order to track movements with telemetry. So it would therefore be possible to have some kind of wild animal laser tag system, whereby the hunter gets to use his skillz and knowledge to track, stalk and 'bag' a collared/tagged beast, with a 'kill' registered by a buzz on his laser modified weapon of choice and logged in an online hall of fame with trophy points awarded for shots taken, distance from quarry, clean kill, etc.

This is vaguely tongue-in-cheek and I'm fully aware that there would be no uptake at all. These fucks actually like the power inherent in act of both having the means to pay to kill and then killing the animal, and the trophy allows them to wank hard about it with their sociopath mates for years to come. It's a nasty extension of power. Why would they go for some 'virtual' second best option that simply enables them to test their skills against mother nature and lets the beast walk free.

They pay'd to hunt humans if they were allowed.

 

[xenon]

Canned hunting. I saw a programme about the back in the 90s. It goes on in America. Shooting bulls and stuff in the pen. Truly fucking pathetic.

 

[weltweit]

They pay'd to hunt humans if they were allowed.

The word "hunting" seems to suggest some taking on of a wild animal in its environment and somehow besting its senses to enable the hunter to make the kill. It sort of sounds somehow skilled.

The truth in the case of Cecil was that the hunters laid a trail from the reserve where Cecil was safe (from hunters), a trail they laid by dragging a dead animal behind their vehicle from the reserve to the land on which they planned to make the kill. Then they built a hide out of branches next to the trail they had laid and sat and waited until Cecil came along following the trail they had laid. As Cecil passed by the hide in the fading light, the brave and no doubt fearless Walter Palmer shot his arrow at Cecil, who then disappeared injured into the grass.

The brave hunters then turned in for the night and the next day (40 hours later) followed Cecil's tracks until they caught up with the wounded lion when they shot him dead probably with a rifle and then skinned and beheaded him.

When the details are known it is hardly a heroic pastime, trophy hunting, and if you have been following the thread and have investigated "canned trophy hunting" you will know that it gets a lot worse than this!

 

[xenon]

Yep. I am not against hunting per se. Where it's part of wildlife management. But there is something seriously wrong with people getting their kicks in that setup.

 

[Wilf]

I have to admit to feeling that this is all getting a bit out of hand.

It seems to me that some people really do care more for animals than humans, which is fucked up in the extreme.

Think of all the situations where mistreatment of people hasn't caused this kind of reaction.

Really, how do you reach that conclusion?

 

[Wilf]

I wonder if there would be any uptake among the trophy hunting fraternity of a hypothetical 'tech solution' to the opprobrium they're receiving that allows them to continue to 'interact' with big game in Africa. You can tag an animal, right, and with wild and endangered populations this is common in order to track movements with telemetry. So it would therefore be possible to have some kind of wild animal laser tag system, whereby the hunter gets to use his skillz and knowledge to track, stalk and 'bag' a collared/tagged beast, with a 'kill' registered by a buzz on his laser modified weapon of choice and logged in an online hall of fame with trophy points awarded for shots taken, distance from quarry, clean kill, etc.

This is vaguely tongue-in-cheek and I'm fully aware that there would be no uptake at all. These fucks actually like the power inherent in act of both having the means to pay to kill and then killing the animal, and the trophy allows them to wank hard about it with their sociopath mates for years to come. It's a nasty extension of power. Why would they go for some 'virtual' second best option that simply enables them to test their skills against mother nature and lets the beast walk free.

Indeed. Same logic as why the scum who go fox hunting won't give it up to do drag hunts.

 

[coley]

Id love to see the fucker take on these animals without any weapons,just his bare hands

I'd love to see a follow up photo of the bastard lying face up with an assengi protruding from his forehead, and the smirk removed, permanently.

 

[coley]

Poor, magnificent beast destroyed by a human's ego and desperation to prove he is something he plainly is not.
I hope all his teeth get broken and look like sugar puffs.
The lousy bastard.
I hope whoever or whatever he loves breaks his heart.

Ahem to that.

 

[coley]

Teeth that white just look unnatural! Does anyone agree?

Needs a few knuckles.

 

[coley]

one of the most horrible ends I heard of in recent years was gaddafi...just doesn't bear thinking about. Sure he was an evil man, but fuck me it was no way to go. arse raped with a bayonet, shot in the stomach then dragged through town on a tow rope by a motor. Then stuck in the freezer room of libyas equivalent to asda's so people could come have a look.

Now perhaps I grow squeamish in my advancing years but no one deserves to go like that.

No, they don't, And Gaddafi wasn't even one of the worst.
As for the the individual in the OP, loss of his business and worldwide revulsion is more than adequate.
No need for anything else.

 

[coley]

.303 is marginal on a deer, so for a lion... I can understand why he didn't go after the lion with the Martini Henry, though. Heavier calibre, but single shot, and a breech-loader with a notoriously-temperamental feed.

303 marginal on a deer?? Does the job, mebbes overkill?, Martin henry! reliable breech loader until it gets hot, but that was down to the powder and the brass in the 1870s, converted MHs using 303s no problemo