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Calamity1971 said:
Also people who like they're duck/goose down duvets. Plucked alive. Aren't we humans great.
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The trend for Canada Goose brought this to me attention. As bad as buying and wearing fur
greenwavegazette.org

The Cruelty Behind Canada Goose Jackets

The brand Canada Goose, which makes expensive down winter jackets and winter gear, is a status symbol for many. The retail cost, however, is not the only high price paid. Nearly sixty years ago, these jackets were developed in Toronto and since then customers have loved these coats. Despite the...
greenwavegazette.org

www.peta.org.uk

Ever Wondered Where Those Feathers Come From?

Your down-filled duvet could contain a cruel secret: the violent live plucking of terrified ducks and geese.
www.peta.org.uk www.peta.org.uk

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Calamity1971 said:
Also people who like their duck/goose down duvets. Plucked alive. Aren't we humans great.
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Not all of it, tbf. PETA say that about 80% of it is live plucked because 80% of the world’s down comes from China, but it’s not a widespread practice in China. The RSPCA reckons about 2% of global production might be live plucked which of course, is still too much.
 
Anyway, if you want to hunt ‘ethically’ go to New Zealand and shoot the fuck out of the various invasive mammal species that are killing native species such as ground-nesting birds that previously had no predators of this type. About the only place it makes sense.
 
Spymaster said:
Not all of it, tbf. PETA say that about 80% of it is live plucked because 80% of the world’s down comes from China, but it’s not a widespread practice in China. The RSPCA reckons about 2% of global production might be live plucked which of course, is still too much.
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Even PETA don't say 80% of it is live plucked, do they?
hashtag's link above said:
Although most down is removed from ducks and geese during slaughter, birds in breeding flocks and those raised for meat and foie gras may endure the trauma of plucking every six weeks before they are eventually killed. But no matter where it comes from, down is a product of cruelty to animals.
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Fez909 said:
Even PETA don't say 80% of it is live plucked, do they?
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Can’t remember. I looked into it a couple of years ago when I was buying my down jacket and they were making all sorts of bonkers claims backed-up with faked research, as is their wont. Nowadays it’s quite easy to avoid dodgy down. Just buy from Patagonia.
 
Is the plucking bit important, or could they shear them like sheep?

Not that I’d want to shear a goose..
 
ddraig said:
More humane not to kill surely!
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How do you feel about invasive species? Sometimes an animal is introduced that's harmful to the rest of the eco-system. Some bird species, for example, have been pushed to extinction because of the introduction of house cats. Texas has a massive feral hog problem, etc. How would you handle that situation?
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
How do you feel about invasive species? Sometimes an animal is introduced that's harmful to the rest of the eco-system. Some bird species, for example, have been pushed to extinction because of the introduction of house cats. Texas has a massive feral hog problem, etc. How would you handle that situation?
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Then there's what happens when wild animals like deer no longer have natural predators, as they do here in the UK. Personally I think it's better to keep their numbers down with hunting, instead of just letting them eat all the plants and then starve to death, all while trashing the local ecosystems in the process.
 
Hunting for food is fine imo, I think the conservation benefits of stuff like grouse shooting and trophy hunting are debatable at best though.
 
frogwoman said:
Hunting for food is fine imo, I think the conservation benefits of stuff like grouse shooting and trophy hunting are debatable at best though.
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The claims that trophy hunters make that the money they pay in fees goes to conservation are bogus. They contribute less than 5% of what goes toward habitat conservation, while being one of the largest contributors to loss of population numbers.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
The claims that trophy hunters make that the money they pay in fees goes to conservation are bogus. They contribute less than 5% of what goes toward habitat conservation, while being one of the largest contributors to loss of population numbers.
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Yea I know.
 
hash tag said:
Good news, though some have questioned it
BBC News - Ban on imports of animal hunting trophies set to become law
www.bbc.co.uk

Ban on imports of animal hunting trophies set to become law

Plans to stop hunters bringing body parts of endangered species to Great Britain are approved by MPs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Mmmm, can see a few loopholes in the Bill as currently drafted:

In this Act “hunting trophy” means the body of an animal, or a readily recognisable part or derivative of an animal, that—
(a) is obtained by a person (“the hunter”) through hunting the animal, and
(b) is obtained for the hunter’s personal use (which does not include consumption)

Consider for example hunters A and B going to South Africa together. Hunter A shoots tiger 1 and hunter B shoots tiger 2. Hunter A imports tiger 2’s head to display in his house and Hunter B does the same with tiger 1. It would appear neither of the tiger heads amounts to a hunting trophy!

Why not just ban the importing of all parts of animals hunted abroad and, if need be, include an exhaustive list of exceptions to that general prohibition?
 
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Fucking prick. It was a black bear. Shout and wave your arms at it from a distance and it should turn tail and fuck off. And in the offchance it doesn't run off, bear mace would be far more effective than any gun... and wouldn't cause injury to the bear. Plus, it was on national park, where firearms are against the law anyway. The cunt had no business carrying a gun there.
 
8ball said:
Not dissing the sentiment, but 99% sure this bit isn’t correct.
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At close quarters you’d need to hit something like the heart to stop a bear that needs serious skills and icewater in your veins when faced with a rampaging 🐻 bear.
Bear mace needs the ability to use an aerosol 😁
 
One of the tips as I understand it if hiking in bear country is to make plenty of noise while you are walking, perhaps even loud singing. This means bears are likely to hear you coming and less likely to be surprised at your arrival.

The last thing you want is to happen on a bear with their cubs and be so close as to pose a threat.
 
weltweit said:
One of the tips as I understand it if hiking in bear country is to make plenty of noise while you are walking, perhaps even loud singing. This means bears are likely to hear you coming and less likely to be surprised at your arrival.

The last thing you want is to happen on a bear with their cubs and be so close as to pose a threat.
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They'll have prepared for your arrival
 
weltweit said:
One of the tips as I understand it if hiking in bear country is to make plenty of noise while you are walking, perhaps even loud singing. This means bears are likely to hear you coming and less likely to be surprised at your arrival.

The last thing you want is to happen on a bear with their cubs and be so close as to pose a threat.
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They have "bear bells" you can attach to your pack that makes noise as you move. Most of the time they work, but sometimes they have the opposite effect. If a previous hiker has fed the bears and was wearing these, then it's just a dinner bell. For the most part the bears don't want anything to do with you. They recognize you as a predator, but something of an unknown predator. So, they tend to give you space if you give them space.

The other thing is not to hike alone. More than one person making noise along the trail scares off most of the wildlife. I've hiked in bear country alone and recognize that it's an extra risk doing so. You have to be extra vigilant and the times I've felt I was in danger were when I spaced off and either 1) didn't pay attention to what was near me, or 2) ignored a posted sign.*

* Yep. I'm just as big of an idiot as the next tourist. I'll tell anyone who goes into these areas that the posted signs are there for a reason and you should pay attention to them. I've learned this the hard and stupid way.
 
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