Cecil, famous Lion from Zimbabwe shot dead by Dentist from Minnesota for $55k

[Spymaster]

In this context, I'm using 'sport' in the sense of 'sporting', which connotes a sense of fairness and decency. Which isn't what characterises the mass slaughter of captive reared birds (and which requires minimal skill).

Ah, ok. In that case we just disagree on the definition of sport.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Wild deer tend not to shoot back either.

Hunters have been gored to death or trampled by deer.* Not to mention traffic deaths from hitting the critters.

* One of my concerns when I'm out is not paying attention and running into a deer. I've literally brushed against them on the trail when I've surprised them, and so far, we've both done a "WTF?" and jumped the other way. It's well within the possibility that some buck in rut will stomp this shit out of me, rather than run away.

 

[Athos]

Ah, ok. In that case we just disagree on the definition of sport.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not looking to ban it - it's no worse than a lot of other factory farming - but I just don't think of it as sporting.

 

[Athos]

Wild deer tend not to shoot back either.

No. But it takes a certain about of skill to shoot deer; they often need to be controlled versus being reared for shooting; they tend to get killed more cleanly; and, they're usually eaten rather than wasted.

 

[Pickman's model]

those who have tried it say the greatest sport is hunting humans. perhaps the denizens of the conservative benches in the commons could be pursued through the wilds of south georgia by the erstwhile occupants of the labour benches armed with clubs and rough spears

 

[Spymaster]

Don't get me wrong; I'm not looking to ban it - it's no worse than a lot of other factory farming - but I just don't think of it as sporting.

That's rather different. Many people would say that hunting any animals with guns is unsporting, whether that be rabbits with an air rifle, deer with rifles or birds with shotguns.

Again, I'm pretty sure that when hash tag mentioned killing for sport, he meant driven stuff.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That's rather different. Many people would say that hunting any animals with guns is unsporting, whether that be rabbits with an air rifle, deer with rifles or birds with shotguns.

I could possibly be convinced of that idea.

 

[Spymaster]

I could possibly be convinced of that idea.

I think killing animals sportingly is an odd concept. If they're to be killed the emphasis should be on rearing them well, killing them quickly and not wasting the meat. Giving them a sporting chance of escape is absurd!

 

[hash tag]

Killing free range game for the pot is acceptable. It's had a free life as opposed to factory farmed ( which is appealing ), it should be a clean kill which the animal knows nothing about and is relatively stress free and it doesn't suffer an agonising, slow drawn out death through illness or plain old age.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think killing animals sportingly is an odd concept. If they're to be killed the emphasis should be on rearing them well, killing them quickly and not wasting the meat. Giving them a sporting chance of escape is absurd!

Not really. The ones that escape are likely to be the fittest. Over time it adds to the healthfulness of the animal population if the healthiest ones are allowed to reproduce. Once those animals get older, they get slower and are culled to make room for the fitter/younger animals. I think part of the reason humans have so many chronic illnesses is that they're eating too much meat that comes from sick animals, raised in unhealthy conditions for the animals themselves (factory farming), the environment, and ultimately us.

I would want to require that bows with sufficient power to kill cleanly be used.

 

[Athos]

I think killing animals sportingly is an odd concept. If they're to be killed the emphasis should be on rearing them well, killing them quickly and not wasting the meat. Giving them a sporting chance of escape is absurd!

I don't think animals should be reared to be shot.

 

[Spymaster]

I don't think animals should be reared to be shot.

Well it's a view. The extension though, is that they shouldn't be reared to be killed at all, in which case most people won't be able to eat meat. Is shooting them somehow worse than stunning them and bleeding them out?

Unless you only eat wild meat, I think it's an untenable position.

 

[Spymaster]

Not really. The ones that escape are likely to be the fittest. Over time it adds to the healthfulness of the animal population if the healthiest ones are allowed to reproduce. Once those animals get older, they get slower and are culled to make room for the fitter/younger animals. I think part of the reason humans have so many chronic illnesses is that they're eating too much meat that comes from sick animals, raised in unhealthy conditions for the animals themselves (factory farming), the environment, and ultimately us.

I would want to require that bows with sufficient power to kill cleanly be used.

Bow hunting is illegal in the UK, but if we're looking to even the playing field for the quarry we should only be allowed to hunt with lassoes!

 

[hash tag]

Bow hunting is illegal in the UK, but if we're looking to even the playing field for the quarry we should only be allowed to hunt with lassoes!

No death is very good but a lassoo certainly isn't the best.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Bow hunting is illegal in the UK, but if we're looking to even the playing field for the quarry we should only be allowed to hunt with lassoes!

If you really want to go old school how about the atl atl?

Atlatl hunter is 1st modern Missouri woman to harvest deer with ancient hunting tool

From her spot inside her family's 106-year-old barn, Dawn Wagner watched a young spike buck approach an apple tree 13 yards away.

Heart racing, she took careful aim and did what ancient hunters did 20,000 years ago to put meat on the fire.

Wagner used an atlatl to launch a long dart into the deer's side, hitting the creature solidly with the steel-tipped point.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/atlatl-hunter-is-1st-modern-missouri-woman-to-harvest-deer-with-ancient-hunting-tool/63-482479155

It might add to the healthfulness of the human population if we had to get off our fat asses to get dinner too.

 

[Spymaster]

No death is very good but a lassoo certainly isn't the best.

It would drastically increase the escaped/killed ratio.

 

[hash tag]

Would I right in thinking people have used boomerangs for hunting or did I just dream that somewhere?

 

[Athos]

Well it's a view. The extension though, is that they shouldn't be reared to be killed at all, in which case most people won't be able to eat meat. Is shooting them somehow worse than stunning them and bleeding them out?

Unless you only eat wild meat, I think it's an untenable position.

No, the difference is that in an abattoir birds aren't wounded to die slowly.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

No, the difference is that in an abattoir birds aren't wounded to die slowly.

There's all kinds of accounts of chickens being put on a hook, emersed in boiling water, and plucked before they're dead at meat processing plants. And of cows, being hoisted and skinned without being properly stunned, etc. Those production lines move so fast, there's no way to make sure an animal is dead before dismembering it.

 

[Spymaster]

No, the difference is that in an abattoir birds aren't wounded to die slowly.

No, but there's all sorts of other unpleasantness that farmed animals endure. Of course some birds will be injured but most are dead before they hit the ground. Again, unless one is extraordinarily exacting about the provenence of ones meat, it's inconsistent to decry bird shooting whilst tucking into a bacon sarnie or shoulder of lamb.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, but there's all sorts of other unpleasantness that farmed animals endure. Of course some birds will be injured but most are dead before they hit the ground. Again, unless one is extraordinarily exacting about the provenence of ones meat, it's inconsistent to decry bird shooting whilst tucking into a bacon sarnie or shoulder of lamb.

no one likes people talking with their mouth full

 

[8ball]

Hunters have been gored to death or trampled by deer.* Not to mention traffic deaths from hitting the critters.

* One of my concerns when I'm out is not paying attention and running into a deer. I've literally brushed against them on the trail when I've surprised them, and so far, we've both done a "WTF?" and jumped the other way. It's well within the possibility that some buck in rut will stomp this shit out of me, rather than run away.

(((Humans)))

 

[8ball]

Would I right in thinking people have used boomerangs for hunting or did I just dream that somewhere?

Yeah, for about 20,000 years.

 

[8ball]

I think killing animals sportingly is an odd concept. If they're to be killed the emphasis should be on rearing them well, killing them quickly and not wasting the meat. Giving them a sporting chance of escape is absurd!

Yeah, it’s a weird concept. I think it partly derives from way back, when being gifted with meat was seen as the result of a noble contest against nature.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yeah, it’s a weird concept. I think it partly derives from way back, when being gifted with meat was seen as the result of a noble contest against nature.

Or, the animist concept of the animal's spirit gifting/blessing you with its meat, with the gifting of meat being seen as a familial relationship.

 

[8ball]

Or, the animist concept of the animal's spirit gifting/blessing you with its meat, with the gifting of meat being seen as a familial relationship.

Yeah, I think you said it in a way closer to what I was shooting for. Or another culture’s way, anyway. I think what I said possibly applied here at some points.

 

[Calamity1971]

Hunters have been gored to death or trampled by deer.* Not to mention traffic deaths from hitting the critters.

This pleases me.

 

[Calamity1971]

There's all kinds of accounts of chickens being put on a hook, emersed in boiling water, and plucked before they're dead at meat processing plants. And of cows, being hoisted and skinned without being properly stunned, etc. Those production lines move so fast, there's no way to make sure an animal is dead before dismembering it.

Also people who like they're duck/goose down duvets. Plucked alive. Aren't we humans great.

 

[Calamity1971]

No, but there's all sorts of other unpleasantness that animals endure.

Fortunately cricket isn't one of them.

 

[Spymaster]

Fortunately cricket isn't one of them.

My dog would disagree with you.