Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
there goes hope for another decade
burma - potential uprising?
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purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Like the dehumanization often present when genocide is committed, the monks must first be humanized for the evil to properly begin. Once they're disrobed, they can be treated like the regime treats ordinary citizens - a horrifying prospect
They'll probably be off to prisons in Myitkyina and Putao, in the foothills of the Himalaya.
I can't even articulate my anger and disgust.
They'll probably be off to prisons in Myitkyina and Putao, in the foothills of the Himalaya.
I can't even articulate my anger and disgust.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
The anthropology of human rights violations relies a lot these days on the idea of 'bare life' as the dirty little secret of state sovereignty. For a state to build and maintain itself some have to be included, which means others must be excluded - stripped of their membership of the civil community, stripped of their badges of identity, those things that would make other citizens see them as fellow citizens, reduced to 'bare life'. The Burmese regime is obviously taking this one literally.
I can't see this regime falling any other way than at the point of a gun.
I can't see this regime falling any other way than at the point of a gun.
urbanrevolt
New Member
well if they can split the army, encouraging dissidents to refuse to fire on protestors and capture the weapons to use in self-defence that would be a good start.
It's not looking very good chances at the moment but every bullet fired, every protestor killed cements the hatred of the regime that will be its unravelling. It's a long hard road and all the protestors are termendously brave beyond any words I could even begin to write here
It's not looking very good chances at the moment but every bullet fired, every protestor killed cements the hatred of the regime that will be its unravelling. It's a long hard road and all the protestors are termendously brave beyond any words I could even begin to write here
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
They're so determined, I don't see them giving up. The army has had to divert from killing the Karenni and Shan, so there's two big fuck off armies now free to support the protesters. Soldiers will mutiny, the monks won't give up. We just have to keep getting the news out and trying to get the mainstream media to cover the few blog stories getting out. It's the fact that the world is watching this time that makes the difference. Let's just keep it up and keep believing. Those cunts ain't gonna win. 
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Well the Karenni ain't giving up, and they don't want the Burmese to either. And they're sending the right message to the troops. The People of Burma are fucking brilliant!
http://english.dvb.no/news.php?id=493 (resistance radio in Norway)
KNU denounces government brutality
Oct 1, 2007 (DVB)–Padoh Mahn Shah, Secretary of the Karen National Union, has condemned the government’s brutal response to the recent protests and expressed his belief that all the people of Burma should join the struggle against the military regime.
Mahn Shah pledged KNU’s full support to the monks, students and civilians taking part in protests.
"People from all different walks of life in Burma have to join in with this fight. Everyone, including government employees and soldiers. Because it's only a handful of [military] uniformed people who are destroying our country while the rest of the soldiers [of the lower ranks] are being mistreated in the same way as civilians and ethnic minorities,” he said.
Mahn Shah denounced the violent crackdowns on protestors by the Burmese junta, and urged KNU’s rival splinter group, the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, to ask themselves whether it is right to stand aside while the government is killing and harassing Buddhist monks.
http://english.dvb.no/news.php?id=493 (resistance radio in Norway)
KNU denounces government brutality
Oct 1, 2007 (DVB)–Padoh Mahn Shah, Secretary of the Karen National Union, has condemned the government’s brutal response to the recent protests and expressed his belief that all the people of Burma should join the struggle against the military regime.
Mahn Shah pledged KNU’s full support to the monks, students and civilians taking part in protests.
"People from all different walks of life in Burma have to join in with this fight. Everyone, including government employees and soldiers. Because it's only a handful of [military] uniformed people who are destroying our country while the rest of the soldiers [of the lower ranks] are being mistreated in the same way as civilians and ethnic minorities,” he said.
Mahn Shah denounced the violent crackdowns on protestors by the Burmese junta, and urged KNU’s rival splinter group, the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, to ask themselves whether it is right to stand aside while the government is killing and harassing Buddhist monks.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Sent an e-mail to BBC news feedback about using the Burmese Bloggers more. If anyone has any mainstream news contacts, please harrass them to carry calls for action and more news from the blogs that are still active. It's a numbers game and for that we need the media. 
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Watch the Pilger film on http://bbwob.blogspot.com/
We should get the BBC to show it...fuck, it's powerful anyway but right now...
It needs to get shown right now. Anyone got any ideas about which BBC dept to contact about this? News still?
We should get the BBC to show it...fuck, it's powerful anyway but right now...
It needs to get shown right now. Anyone got any ideas about which BBC dept to contact about this? News still?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Yay! An excuse to repost this 'un.
Message of Solidarity from the People of Shan State
Shan State, Burma
27 September 2007
On September 27, 2007 hundreds of Shan, Pa'O, Palaung, and Lahu villagers gathered in a internally displaced persons site in Shan State, Eastern Burma as an act of solidarity with those demonstrating in the larger cities of Burma. Villagers expressed their common desire for the restoration of a free and democratic Burma, in which people of every ethnicity are guaranteed fundamental rights. Much of Shan State continues to be a warzone, where the Burma Army regularly commits atrocities against the civilian population, and any act of overt civil disobediance would most like result in a swift and brutal punishment. The villagers who gathered today announced their unity of heart and purpose with those demonstrating in the larger cities against this oppression.
Ethnic peoples of Burma have been under direct attack by the dictators for years. They hope that the demonstrations in the cities of Burma will draw international attention and help for those under attack. They also hope that all the oppressed people of Burma will soon be free.
Message of Solidarity from the People of Shan State
Shan State, Burma
27 September 2007
On September 27, 2007 hundreds of Shan, Pa'O, Palaung, and Lahu villagers gathered in a internally displaced persons site in Shan State, Eastern Burma as an act of solidarity with those demonstrating in the larger cities of Burma. Villagers expressed their common desire for the restoration of a free and democratic Burma, in which people of every ethnicity are guaranteed fundamental rights. Much of Shan State continues to be a warzone, where the Burma Army regularly commits atrocities against the civilian population, and any act of overt civil disobediance would most like result in a swift and brutal punishment. The villagers who gathered today announced their unity of heart and purpose with those demonstrating in the larger cities against this oppression.
Ethnic peoples of Burma have been under direct attack by the dictators for years. They hope that the demonstrations in the cities of Burma will draw international attention and help for those under attack. They also hope that all the oppressed people of Burma will soon be free.
What are the leaders from US, UK, all european nations doing? Why are they allowing all this?
Why don't they simply go into burma and stop it all? Don't mention china, they can still have their gas with or without the military.
All of humanity is tainted by this brutality that goes on while we sit idle.
If humanity can't solve this, then what use are they?
Why don't they simply go into burma and stop it all? Don't mention china, they can still have their gas with or without the military.
All of humanity is tainted by this brutality that goes on while we sit idle.
If humanity can't solve this, then what use are they?
"They wanted to send a message to the international community. They heard about China, sanctions, the UN, negotiations, things they didn't understand. But it gave them hope that the international community is watching closely what's happening in Burma."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7022475.stm
This time the burmese monks and people know for sure that the world was watching and knew about their plight.
So now they will know for sure that they are on their own, with no friends. They will know that the world cares more about grabbing the natural resources from their land than their very own lives. They will be worse off than before this uprising, because in addition to not being free, they will know that the world doesn't care that they have no freedom, and that the world doesn't care about life if it's a burmese person.
Motto for modern man: selfishness and greed is more important than life itself.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7022475.stm
This time the burmese monks and people know for sure that the world was watching and knew about their plight.
So now they will know for sure that they are on their own, with no friends. They will know that the world cares more about grabbing the natural resources from their land than their very own lives. They will be worse off than before this uprising, because in addition to not being free, they will know that the world doesn't care that they have no freedom, and that the world doesn't care about life if it's a burmese person.
Motto for modern man: selfishness and greed is more important than life itself.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Don't really know what to say about this any more. It makes me so angry and sad that no one will give the Burmese people the help they need - not any other nation and not even their own children and brothers in the Burmese army. I've always liked to think that the regime is so openly corrupt and brutal that it can't last forever - now I'm not so sure.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
They'll probably be sent to Burma's gulags, tbh.purves grundy said:
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Amateur techies bring Burma to the world
GOVERNMENT SEEKS TO SHUT DOWN WEB SITES
By Laurie Goering
Chicago Tribune
NEW DELHI - Neerav Modi has never been an activist. But the American student and computer whiz, who is studying medicine in India, has played a crucial role in the political uprisings in Burma.
In his spare time he manages Glite, an open source Internet access program that has allowed university students, dissidents and amateur journalists in the nation officially called Myanmar to dodge government Internet controls and deliver news and images of the country's bloody street protests to the world.
Cutting-edge technology - much of it operated by amateurs - has played a remarkably powerful role in documenting the bloodshed in Burma and helping to spark a global outcry. Video clips of the country's biggest political protests in nearly two decades, surreptitiously filmed and filed via the Internet, have made their way onto sites like YouTube.
Details of shootings and beatings of Buddhist monks and other protesters by the country's repressive military regime have trickled out via e-mail and cell phone from amateur correspondents adept at dodging rolling government blackouts of cell phone service and Internet access.
So ineffective has Burma's military junta been at stemming the flow of information that late last week it shut down the country's public Internet service altogether. Even then, pictures and reports have continued to filter out.
"The extraordinary amount of information that's made it out regardless of all this is just amazing," said Shawn Crispin, an Asia expert with the Committee to Protect Journalists. "The government's been caught off guard. They had more confidence in the Internet firewall technology than they should have."
Police this week were frisking young people on the streets of Rangoon, also known as Yangon, for cell phones and cameras, moving through tourist hotels searching for and confiscating the disk drives of laptop computers, and blocking cell phone service to many journalists and to areas of Rangoon where crackdowns were planned, according to Web site editors receiving e-mail from Burma.
Young people and university students, in particular, "are now equipped with technology," including cell phones, said Soe Myint, editor of the Mizzima News, a New Delhi-based publication about Burma, run by exiles. "So when these demonstrations came, they were the ones getting us images and video.
"These young tech guys don't want this government. They don't like this government. And they are adept at exposing what is going on there," he said.
Modi's Glite program has been downloaded worldwide more than 100,000 times and is available on many other sites besides his own, including hundreds in Myanmar.
"If the government shuts one down, somebody else will have another waiting," he said. "If they block all my sites and my entire domain, there are dozens or hundreds of other sites out there with the exact same program running."
More:http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7059857?source=rss&nclick_check=1
GOVERNMENT SEEKS TO SHUT DOWN WEB SITES
By Laurie Goering
Chicago Tribune
NEW DELHI - Neerav Modi has never been an activist. But the American student and computer whiz, who is studying medicine in India, has played a crucial role in the political uprisings in Burma.
In his spare time he manages Glite, an open source Internet access program that has allowed university students, dissidents and amateur journalists in the nation officially called Myanmar to dodge government Internet controls and deliver news and images of the country's bloody street protests to the world.
Cutting-edge technology - much of it operated by amateurs - has played a remarkably powerful role in documenting the bloodshed in Burma and helping to spark a global outcry. Video clips of the country's biggest political protests in nearly two decades, surreptitiously filmed and filed via the Internet, have made their way onto sites like YouTube.
Details of shootings and beatings of Buddhist monks and other protesters by the country's repressive military regime have trickled out via e-mail and cell phone from amateur correspondents adept at dodging rolling government blackouts of cell phone service and Internet access.
So ineffective has Burma's military junta been at stemming the flow of information that late last week it shut down the country's public Internet service altogether. Even then, pictures and reports have continued to filter out.
"The extraordinary amount of information that's made it out regardless of all this is just amazing," said Shawn Crispin, an Asia expert with the Committee to Protect Journalists. "The government's been caught off guard. They had more confidence in the Internet firewall technology than they should have."
Police this week were frisking young people on the streets of Rangoon, also known as Yangon, for cell phones and cameras, moving through tourist hotels searching for and confiscating the disk drives of laptop computers, and blocking cell phone service to many journalists and to areas of Rangoon where crackdowns were planned, according to Web site editors receiving e-mail from Burma.
Young people and university students, in particular, "are now equipped with technology," including cell phones, said Soe Myint, editor of the Mizzima News, a New Delhi-based publication about Burma, run by exiles. "So when these demonstrations came, they were the ones getting us images and video.
"These young tech guys don't want this government. They don't like this government. And they are adept at exposing what is going on there," he said.
Modi's Glite program has been downloaded worldwide more than 100,000 times and is available on many other sites besides his own, including hundreds in Myanmar.
"If the government shuts one down, somebody else will have another waiting," he said. "If they block all my sites and my entire domain, there are dozens or hundreds of other sites out there with the exact same program running."
More:http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7059857?source=rss&nclick_check=1
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
The US and UK wring their hands and issue condemnations but nothing more. If this was a major oil producer, they'd have been in like Flynn.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
They are a major oil producer.
The Burmese resistance are calling for boycotts (as of 9am yesterday) of:
Total
Unocal
Petrona
Finas
Elf
Daewoo
"made in China"
"made in Russia"
Beijing Olympics 2008
China, India and Japan hold the $8trillion US national debt and are the only reason the $ is still worth slightly more than the paper the it is printed on. USuk ain't going any further than words.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10080
http://www.counterpunch.org/sale02222005.html
The Burmese resistance are calling for boycotts (as of 9am yesterday) of:
Total
Unocal
Petrona
Finas
Elf
Daewoo
"made in China"
"made in Russia"
Beijing Olympics 2008
China, India and Japan hold the $8trillion US national debt and are the only reason the $ is still worth slightly more than the paper the it is printed on. USuk ain't going any further than words.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10080
http://www.counterpunch.org/sale02222005.html
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
ymu said:
Hmmmm, and Iraq was a different prospect? I'm not sure Burma's oil capacity is on a par with Iraq. My point is that there is a general tone of hypocrisy coming out of the mouths of US and UK politicians. They complain bitterly about dictatorships but do nothing to stop them...unless it is convenient to do so.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I think the only hope now is that the people (and hopefully some of the troops) are so horrified by this brutal response - espesh towards monks - that some sort of 'flame of resistance' has been lit.
today's lesson; the world is best at turning a blind eye to tyranny when there's money in it
today's lesson; the world is best at turning a blind eye to tyranny when there's money in it
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I think it's gone beyond that now. Ghastly as it is, we have to face the fact that this attempted revolution has been drowned in blood.Red Jezza said:
The Burmese people have now had two goes at ridding themselves of this regime, and I doubt they'll be up for it again anytime soon. Chances are, this regime will only change when it's leading gerontocrats pass away through natural causes and some sort of "perestroika" is initiated by the next generation of leaders - who must surely see that things can't go on the way they are indefinately. The old guard pretty much have nothing to loose by "toughing it out" as they won't be around for too much longer anyway, whilst the younger leadership waiting in the wings won't have that luxury. They'll know they'll be lying in the bed they'll be making for some time to come.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Hypocrisy from politicians? Wow, what a shock!nino_savatte said:
USuk is fucking over the Middle East. Burma is not in the Middle East. ASEAN between them hold the US national debt. China is already investing heavily in Africa and challenging US dominance over South American affairs; it is unchallengeable when it comes to influence over Burma.
USuk is entirely fucking irrelevant vis-a-vis Burma. China are the only power who can act decisively. IMO they will be the sole superpower within a decade, but that's another debate. USuk is not the only uber-powerful bunch of fucking cunts out there any more and it's about time the left woke up to that fact.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
poster342002 said:I think it's gone beyond that now. Ghastly as it is, we have to face the fact that this attempted revolution has been drowned in blood.
The Burmese people have now had two goes at ridding themselves of this regime, and I doubt they'll be up for it again anytime soon. Chances are, this regime will only change when it's leading gerontocrats pass away through natural causes and some sort of "perestroika" is initiated by the next generation of leaders - who must surely see that things can't go on the way they are indefinately. The old guard pretty much have nothing to loose by "toughing it out" as they won't be around for too much longer anyway, whilst the younger leadership waiting in the wings won't have that luxury. They'll know they'll be lying in the bed they'll be making for some time to come.
This is far far too premature. We can't just give up because there's not much news getting out any more - that's exactly why the Junta took such extreme steps to cut internet access. The Burmese People deserve better from us, IMO.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Perhaps you're right, but the chances of successful revolt are now looking sllimmer and slimmer, imo.ymu said:
The longer the lack of news goes on, the more hope fades. I think if the revolution was succeeding, we'd have heard something by now as at least one or two Burmese TV/Radio stations fall to the people.
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