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Brunei brings in death by stoning as punishment for gay sex

One set of people using writing from 1000 years ago vs another with writing from 2000 years ago vs another with writing from 3000 years ago.

As pointless arguments go, this is right up there with indicative votes.
 
The Christian right in the US don't seem to care for women's rights (abortion, etc) and see how sex pests like religious Roy Moore gets so much backing. Not to mention Mike Pence and his motley crew who don't like LGBT folk one bit. Off the top of my head, Uganda (a mostly Christian country) doesn't treat gay people terribly well, either. Wasn't there an attempt to bring in the death penalty some years back?

Read this:

LGBT rights in Uganda - Wikipedia

The extreme homophobia does not seem to be religiously based at all:

'The climate in Uganda is one of extreme homophobia; many political leaders have used openly homophobic rhetoric, and have said that homosexuality is "akin to bestiality", was "brought to Uganda by white people" and is "un-African". Simon Lokodo, Minister for Ethics and Integrity, is known by Ugandan LGBT activists as "the country's main homophobe. He has suggested that rape is more morally acceptable than consensual sex between people of the same sex, has accompanied violent police raids on LGBT events and actively suppresses freedom of speech and of assembly for LGBT people.[28]'

The initial legislation was of course put in place by Britain, during its time as a colonial ruler.
 
One set of people using writing from 1000 years ago vs another with writing from 2000 years ago vs another with writing from 3000 years ago.

As pointless arguments go, this is right up there with indicative votes.

It is, except to Pickman's it would seem.

I do accept that it took a long time before the Christian church fully accepted Christianity, and certain sectors in Norther Ireland have not quite got there yet. Clue, it isn't the Roman Catholics.
 
Christianity's history drips with blood. Utterly dreadful and barbaric things were done in the name of God.

The difference is that Christianity has eschewed the Old Testament in favour of the New. Christianity has moved on, Islam has not.

Sharia Law has of course fuck all to do with religious belief, it is in place to support the misogynistic patrimony which is endemic in that society. It is about command and control.

How do you feel about women being 'half a person' with regard to legal testimony, or rape only being rape if witnessed by four people.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible if you have the slightest care about women being treated as equal human beings.
You're so fucking stupid you can't see that they're both the same fucking thing. All religions are the same bloody thing.
 
Read this:

LGBT rights in Uganda - Wikipedia

The extreme homophobia does not seem to be religiously based at all:

'The climate in Uganda is one of extreme homophobia; many political leaders have used openly homophobic rhetoric, and have said that homosexuality is "akin to bestiality", was "brought to Uganda by white people" and is "un-African". Simon Lokodo, Minister for Ethics and Integrity, is known by Ugandan LGBT activists as "the country's main homophobe. He has suggested that rape is more morally acceptable than consensual sex between people of the same sex, has accompanied violent police raids on LGBT events and actively suppresses freedom of speech and of assembly for LGBT people.[28]'

The initial legislation was of course put in place by Britain, during its time as a colonial ruler.

It seems Christianity has indeed a part in latter day homophobia in Uganda

However, she adds, homophobia is a concept that also comes from the West. In particular, she points to the efforts of American evangelist Scott Lively, who presented many of the arguments and tenants that later formed the anti-gay bill to individual members of Uganda's parliament.

"Sexual identity and gender identity weren't discussed topics in Uganda, because people were in no way aware that (they) were a thing," says Zalcman.

"Lively spoke to parliament just months before the first bill was drafted, and had a very obvious effect on public opinion."


On homosexuality: Uganda's religious leaders - CNN.com
 
It is, except to Pickman's it would seem.

I do accept that it took a long time before the Christian church fully accepted Christianity, and certain sectors in Norther Ireland have not quite got there yet. Clue, it isn't the Roman Catholics.
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in fairness, to just hold religion responsible isn't helpful either. it might be more constructive to explore deeply ingrained power structures to understand why some regimes may rely on religion to justify extreme brutality.
My general view is that religion gives the veil of social acceptability for bigotry. I'd have more respect for someone who had the balls to stand up and say "actually I am just a bit of a cunt", rather than using an accent book full of bullshit to justify it.
 
in fairness, to just hold religion responsible isn't helpful either. it might be more constructive to explore deeply ingrained power structures to understand why some regimes may rely on religion to justify extreme brutality.

It's an outlet, isn't it. It's the negative side of religion that gets to twist and shout the core message all wrong. Love and peace goes out the window in order for some people to vent their ire and frustrations on easy targets. And the more the authorities (either in govt or in the church) preach just how bad it is, the more the people feel stoked up. I get it, we all want to smash stuff up, esp when we feel impotent about so much stuff in our lives that's beyond control. But the anger should be directed at the elite/the rulers but it gets diverted instead towards innocent bystanders who are deemed sinful or abnormal etc.
 
It's an outlet, isn't it. It's the negative side of religion that gets to twist and shout the core message all wrong. Love and peace goes out the window in order for some people to vent their ire and frustrations on easy targets. And the more the authorities (either in govt or in the church) preach just how bad it is, the more the people feel stoked up. I get it, we all want to smash stuff up, esp when we feel impotent about so much stuff in our lives that's beyond control. But the anger should be directed at the elite/the rulers but it gets diverted instead towards innocent bystanders who are deemed sinful or abnormal etc.
The core social function, regardless of any messages, of organised religions like Islam or Christianity is to regulate and control sex and reproduction.
 
That too. Why does sex have to be controlled, I wonder?
Property rights, for one. Ever since the change to settled agricultural societies with hierarchies of ownership, there has been an imperative to control sex and reproduction in particular ways. The particular sins of organised religions have grown from that.
 
Not much controlling reproduction in the case of LGBT people, mind.
If the objective is to repress sexual desire as much as possible in order to restrict sex to marriage, it can be seen as part of that process. The very act of desire is being made into a sin. Of course, desire, when repressed, doesn't disappear, it oozes out sideways in destructive ways.

ETA: It's not an accident that adultery is included as an equal sin to homosexual sex here. Both are sexual acts performed outside the permitted place for reproduction, marriage.
 
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what makes you think your branch of Christianity is so much more sophisticated?
The Church of Scotland has both female and openly gay ministers, and has had for a while.

There is still a bit of conflict between the old and the new view, but a minister may be in a same sex marriage, and be called by a congregation.

The C of E is still discussing things. the Anglican Congregation is severely split on the matter.

I am not saying that any branch of Christianity is perfect, only God is perfect. Travel in the right direction is good though.
 
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