Brockwell Park loses a chunk due to junction alterations at Herne Hill Junction

[Blagsta]

That junction and road crossing was a nightmare, I hope it's been improved.

 

[tommers]

I cycle through it and it suits me. The connection between norwood road and dulwich road goes up onto raised pavementy bits with a big crossing in the middle and there's a give way line at the end, so no more waiting at the lights at the main junction, and, as Crispy says, it seems to have improved the park entrance.

If they do pedestrianise railton road by the station then I can only see that being good. That little road was a nightmare sometimes.

A bit of park has gone though, of course.

 

[Woody]

Bus lane that isn't

The new road markings seem to direct all traffic onto the slip road towards Brixton that I'd assumed was just for buses and cycles. I wouldn't fance trying to cross if that's the case.

 

[Crispy]

It's just the bus lane surely?

 

[teuchter]

I notice that railton road by herne hill station is now closed to traffic and the one way system on the 2 roads leading into it has been changed round too. Is it going to be a no through road? Will they pedestrianise that bit?

Yes the intention is to pedestrianise that bit as far as I know.

Have they put the second tree into the new bit of paving by the entrance to the park yet? The last couple of times I've gone by, it's been missing but there is a kind of X marks the spot marked onto the paving.

 

[tommers]

The new road markings seem to direct all traffic onto the slip road towards Brixton that I'd assumed was just for buses and cycles. I wouldn't fance trying to cross if that's the case.

yeah. it's for all traffic. People don't seem to be using it much, from what i see. I don't know if you are really still able to do a left at the lights?

The crossing is reaaalllllyyy wide, which I suppose will help and you go up onto a different level which will make drivers slow down...

but yeah, be interesting to see if it works.

 

[Structaural]

Anyone got any pics?

 

[London_Calling]

It would make far more sense if it were a filter lane because, apart from safer crossing, pretty much the whole issue is the bottle neck coming from Tulse Hill. And there still seems to be something of the park remaining

 

[T & P]

yeah. it's for all traffic. People don't seem to be using it much, from what i see. I don't know if you are really still able to do a left at the lights?

No, I'm pretty sure that will no longer be allowed.

I don't know if it is going to ease up the chronic congestion, but I think it's a lot better than it was before, and like others have suggested, the whole 'xxx square metres of park have been lost' argument is a misleading one. In percentage of total park area, the chunk lost cannot be more than 0.1% or something ludicrously small like that. If a safer environment and access to the park is to be gained from it (and IMO, it has) then fuck the 0.1% of grass lost to the scheme.

 

[Tricky Skills]

Awful lot of paving stone, not a lot of traffic flow.

 

[gaijingirl]

I honestly think it's shit. Loads of concrete and still masses of congestion.

 

[Laughing Toad]

I honestly think it's shit. Loads of concrete and still masses of congestion.

There will always be congestion. The more road they bulid, the more cars will use it.

 

[gaijingirl]

There will always be congestion. The more road they bulid, the more cars will use it.

I agree..

 

[Gixxer1000]

Totally fucked it up, by extending the pavement out locally at the bus stop further down the road its now impossible to overtake stationary buses, traffic backs up for miles.

 

[Crispy]

What concrete? It's all stone.

Totally fucked it up, by extending the pavement out locally at the bus stop further down the road its now impossible to overtake stationary buses, traffic backs up for miles.

been like that for ages hasn't it?

 

[corporate whore]

It looks fine, and it's not finished yet. Once the gates get put back and all the work's tidied it'll be fine.

Let's face it, the only way that junction's going to be perfect is to stop people driving through Herne Hill.

The park's still there and getting to it is easier = improvement in my book.

Think the top of Railton's gonna be buses only, btw

 

[T.H.R]

There will always be congestion. The more road they bulid, the more cars will use it.

Yeah - I haven't really noticed any difference, I'm still stuck on Norwood Road for blimmin ages when I go that way.

 

[Crispy]

It was always about improving it for pedestrians anyway

 

[co-op]

It was always about improving it for pedestrians anyway

I think you're wrong there; the funding for this scheme came from TfL who agreed to put the money in mainly on the basis that it would improve bus flow through the junction. Specifically this was the reason for the hugely controversial cut through of the corner of the park - this will allow buses coming off Norwood Rd to get through onto Dulwich Rd without getting snagged up in the junction.

Any benefits to pedestrians are secondary (although it would have been pretty bloody hard to make the junction any less pedestrian-friendly than it was).

The reality of the scheme is probably too early to read but I guess the bus-slip lane will improve journey times as envisioned but it looks to me like that will just about be cancelled out by slower journeys through the junction going the opposite direction since the buses won't be going through Railton Rd any more but joining the traffic jam on Dulwich Rd. We shall see.

 

[Crispy]

hmm, looks like I was wrong - and indeed we will have to wait to see improvements to buses.

as for why general traffic has been seen in the slip road, is the bus lane rush hour only?

 

[RaverDrew]

I've been past there a few times on buses in the last few days and it's made a huge difference.

 

[prunus]

hmm, looks like I was wrong - and indeed we will have to wait to see improvements to buses.

as for why general traffic has been seen in the slip road, is the bus lane rush hour only?

I think the slip road is all traffic, that's certainly what the signs/markings looked like to me as I went past yesterday.

 

[London_Calling]

tbf, TfL are rarely wrong in their analysis of traffic flows. They would have monitored this for months and probably longer.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I guess they can't because of the station, but it would have been great if they pedestrianised the road outside.

 

[Crispy]

it would make a nice little square wouldn't it?

the roads are just a bit too wrong and the viaduct is just a bit too narrow for the whole space to properly work - it's a shame.

 

[sleaterkinney]

The railway viaduct?.

 

[Crispy]

yeah. there isn't enough space to get the roads and decent pavements through

 

[sleaterkinney]

I'm talking about the very end of railton road, where it bends around towards the station

 

[Crispy]

yeah I know, I was being a bit broader

 

[Gixxer1000]

tbf, TfL are rarely wrong in their analysis of traffic flows. They would have monitored this for months and probably longer.

LMAO has more to do with their social engineering rather than fluid mechanics.