Brockwell Park loses a chunk due to junction alterations at Herne Hill Junction

[teuchter]

I didn't like the way peds have to wait between the two pelicans coming from Norwood road towards the entrance. That fills up quick.

It's loads bigger than the previous one though.

I'm trying to remember how the crossing lights worked previously - was there one set of lights that took you all the way from pavement->island->second island->park entrance or was there a second set that took you across the slip road?

 

[nagapie]

I will incredibly upset if the 1 o'clock club goes - it's one of the main benefits of where I live for me and many of my neighbours right now.

A huge loss to the community and some local people's jobs gone with it. I'd be up for chaining myself to the railings.

 

[gaijingirl]

A huge loss to the community and some local people's jobs gone with it. I'd be up for chaining myself to the railings.

I think there'd be a lot of people who would want to fight that loss... I do hope that it's just a rumour.....

 

[Winot]

I'm trying to remember how the crossing lights worked previously - was there one set of lights that took you all the way from pavement->island->second island->park entrance or was there a second set that took you across the slip road?

There was no safe pedestrian route across the junction as it was previously configured.

 

[Mr Moose]

Slightly off topic but I've heard the one o' clock club might be closed down. I wonder how long it will take Lambeth to sell that bit of park off.

That would be depressing - it was terrific for my son.

 

[snowy_again]

Aren't they the ones who campaign constantly for fewer public events in the park though?

And were also instrumental in getting the successful Heritage Lottery Fund grant which paid for the new play areas and the chopped off corner? I may be wrong.

HHF was set up with Lambeth to be a sort of pilot localism thing a few years ago. There's a page about it on the website.

 

[Crispy]

Weren't they the ones who got the road diverted to go through the park? One of the council's worst recent decisions.

Which road through which park?

 

[London_Calling]

Weren't they the ones who got the road diverted to go through the park? One of the council's worst recent decisions.

Seems to be a logical flaw between the first and second sentences: who was responsible?

They certainly seem to have a consultation role in local policy making, but I can't see they have anything more than that - realistically, with what leverage?

 

[Orang Utan]

Which road through which park?

i assume they mean the tiny bit that cut off a corner to ease congestion at the herne hill entrance

 

[London_Calling]

Which road through which park?

The dual carriageway through the middle of Brockwell Park.

 

[Crispy]

i assume they mean the tiny bit that cut off a corner to ease congestion at the herne hill entrance

Ah, that old chestnut. I'd say it's been very successful. Much nicer entrance to the park now.

 

[Ms Ordinary]

Yes, apart from eating up the drinkers area - they don't seem to have their own out of the way spot any more - the entrance works much better now.

 

[gaijingirl]

I was always against it and hate it still. The promise was that cars wouldn't be able to use it - only buses and cycles. Cars do use it. Also that it would massively improve the danger of the junction - it hasn't - just more roads to cross now. As a pedestrian, getting from the park to the costcutter side is still a nightmare, getting from the bookies side to the 2nd hand furniture shop side - also a nightmare. The lights still function as though the pedestrianised section is not pedestrianised (I guess to let bikes/emergency vehicles through) but as no other stream of traffic can see that happening it often causes confusion. The two right hand turn lanes coming down Dulwich Road into Norwood Road also often cause trouble as the middle lane can be right hand turn or straight ahead, so cars who want to go straight ahead often get stuck behind cars wanting to turn right.

FWIW I use it as a pedestrian, cyclist and driver and haven't seen any improvement on any front.

 

[London_Calling]

Surely got to be safer, esp. but not only when pretty busy with pedestrians/push chairs, etc.

Take the point about the Costcutters direction though the main pedestrian flows look to be towards the station and under the bridge.

 

[Onket]

I was always against it and hate it still. The promise was that cars wouldn't be able to use it - only buses and cycles. Cars do use it. Also that it would massively improve the danger of the junction - it hasn't - just more roads to cross now. As a pedestrian, getting from the park to the costcutter side is still a nightmare, getting from the bookies side to the 2nd hand furniture shop side - also a nightmare. The lights still function as though the pedestrianised section is not pedestrianised (I guess to let bikes/emergency vehicles through) but as no other stream of traffic can see that happening it often causes confusion. The two right hand turn lanes coming down Dulwich Road into Norwood Road also often cause trouble as the middle lane can be right hand turn or straight ahead, so cars who want to go straight ahead often get stuck behind cars wanting to turn right.

FWIW I use it as a pedestrian, cyclist and driver and haven't seen any improvement on any front.

This^

 

[snowy_again]

No one seems to stop their cars when driving through the pelican crossing though, so I'm not sure how that makes it safer... and then pedestrians seem to think that it's a pedestrianised area and don't look for cars...

 

[editor]

Surely got to be safer, esp. but not only when pretty busy with pedestrians/push chairs, etc.

It really doesn't feel any safer to me, either on foot or by bike.

 

[Crispy]

I think these posts about the corner entrance should be moved to this thread: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/brockwell-park-under-threat-herne-hill-junction.128483/ so that this thread can be about the country show.

 

[London_Calling]

It really doesn't feel any safer to me, either on foot or by bike.

Bu then you're not standing in the middle of Dulwich Road with a buggy, a second child and shopping wondering when to dart across towards the station.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's seems safe enough to me. How is it a nightmare to cross? You just wait for the green man and look both ways before you cross

 

[editor]

Bu then you're not standing in the middle of Dulwich Road with a buggy, a second child and shopping wondering when to dart across towards the station.

Oh, do these people all feel safer then?

 

[Onket]

It's seems safe enough to me. How is it a nightmare to cross? You just wait for the green man and look both ways before you cross

There aren't lights. It's a zebra crossing.

 

[London_Calling]

Yes. Prev. the middle was very inadequate in terms of waiting space with zero room for child error. Friends with children were occasionally a bit intimidated by the situation.

 

[Crispy]

I still think these posts about the corner entrance should be moved to this thread: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/brockwell-park-under-threat-herne-hill-junction.128483/ so that this thread can be about the country show.

 

[editor]

*threads merged under relentless pressure from Mr Crispy

 

[London_Calling]

He should be a moderator that feller.

 

[MAD-T-REX]

As a pedestrian, getting from the park to the costcutter side is still a nightmare, getting from the bookies side to the 2nd hand furniture shop side - also a nightmare. The lights still function as though the pedestrianised section is not pedestrianised (I guess to let bikes/emergency vehicles through) but as no other stream of traffic can see that happening it often causes confusion.

My understanding is that TfL insisted on keeping the lights for Railton Road as supply lorries (which can't turn around and go back down Railton) would otherwise have to cut into traffic to escape.

I don't understand why the pedestrian crossing between the bookies and furniture shop isn't part of the normal sequence. I can't count the number of times I've seen people standing about on both sides, wondering why the lights skipped the green man (press the button, you turnips!) Since the Railton lights are part of the sequence and traffic from there can't make a left, the lights should always allow pedestrians across when there's a green light on Railton.

 

[stuff_it]

Yes. Prev. the middle was very inadequate in terms of waiting space with zero room for child error. Friends with children were occasionally a bit intimidated by the situation.

Darwin.

 

[London_Calling]

Him as well. Though he did use it before the internal combustion engine.

 

[Crispy]

He should be a moderator that feller.

Old habits die hard