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I posted this here Brixton Village, Market Row, Pope's Road, Lost In Brixton and Hondo Enterprises' Brixton empire but it's worth sharing a bit more. Look at the fucking size of this monstrosity that's going to tower over Electric Avenue:

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That is fucking awful.
 
That is fucking awful.
Just read the bullshit that accompanies this photo in their application. It's obscene:

"At this point, Electric Avenue is on axis with the west end of the Site and very close to it. The proposed tall building would be clearly visible ahead. The visual texture of the design – the stepped brickwork, projecting lintels and recessed terraces towards the top – and its exceptional quality would be clearly legible.

Its pale brick and concrete detailing will complement the materiality and colouration of buildings locally, and the regular rhythm and arched shape of the openings will respond to both the 19th century terraces in the foreogrund and the rail viaduct near the Site.

The proportions of the proposed tall building, its angled orientation - responding to the adjacent viaducts - and the layering of rail lines at its base will provide a positive termination to the view at the same clearly separated from the foreground scene.

The activity and immediacy of the street market on Electric Avenue itself would still dominate the viewer’s experience. The proposed tall building would mark the continuation of that market activity on Pope’s Road, and the new public space and access to the overground Station adjacent, drawing pedestrians northwards through the viaduct.

The contrast in scale of the proposed tall building with much of its context would be noticeable in this close and axial view, however this would be balanced by the very high quality of the proposed design, which would relate well to the foreground 19th century streetscape in materials and expression, and by the appropriate location of the new marker building, adjacent to the overground station and the extended market spaces ahead.

This will be an exceptionally high quality building which will provide a memorable local landmark and which will clearly belong to the particular urban character of central Brixton.

Scale and nature of effect: major, beneficial "

 
Here's my comment on Brixton Buzz - what do Urbanites think ?

There is a golden opportunity here: make planning permission contingent upon Hondo including an Overground station in its plans. In other words unless Hondo funds an overground station (and perhaps also a “Catford Loop” interchange ?), planning permission is declined.

This change might even benefit Hondo: although the station would cost extra, it would improve the connectivity – thus value – of this project.

See this document for discussion of the long-discussed Brixton Overground nation:

https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/ec-lambeth-overground-stations-study-report-2014.pdf

A development of this size will already have a Section106/ Community Infrastructure Levy attached to it. The amount will be decided between planning depaartment and the developer. Part of agreeing the planning application will be a Section106/ CIL.

What the money from this is spent on will be up to the Council.

So Hondo , as the developer, will already be expected to put in money to local infrastructure.

This should not be the sole reason for agreeing an application.

IMO it would be bad practise to allow developers to builld what they want as long as they put large amount of money towards for example a rail station.

.An important part of agreeing an application is the quality of design and how it will affect the existing streetscape. This should not be set aside if a developer agrees to give a large amount of money.
 
A development of this size will already have a Section106/ Community Infrastructure Levy attached to it. The amount will be decided between planning depaartment and the developer. Part of agreeing the planning application will be a Section106/ CIL.

What the money from this is spent on will be up to the Council.

So Hondo , as the developer, will already be expected to put in money to local infrastructure.

This should not be the sole reason for agreeing an application.

IMO it would be bad practise to allow developers to builld what they want as long as they put large amount of money towards for example a rail station.

.An important part of agreeing an application is the quality of design and how it will affect the existing streetscape. This should not be set aside if a developer agrees to give a large amount of money.
Obviously you are right, but in strategic terms so is urbanspaceman. It was always a goal of Lambeth planning to have a fully restored strategic transport interchange at Brixton British Rail station and Brixton underground station.

Just waving this scheme through as it is will make it even more unlikely that this transport facility will never happen. In particular it could permanently rule out restoring the platforms on the Catford Loop lines.

I simply hold my hands up and say with respect to this Hondo Popes Road extravaganza we need to stop over development. But the tone of Lambeth's policies and planning decisions over the last ten years have been nothing but over development - so I am not holding my breath.
 
Hey guys, hope you're all as good as you can be in current circs. I've come here to share some sad news - Ben McKendrick from Lambeth Community Police Consultative Group (CPCG) has sadly passed away. I have no further details.

Ben was the administrator for CPCG for many years. Those who remember/knew him will recall his unflappable and professional presence in what were at times very lively meetings. He was an incredibly funny, bright and knowledgeable man, he was kind and gentle too.

RIP Ben.
 
Love the new mayor's look! Not only did he make his own mayoral chains he is going to auction them for the Albert Kennedy Trust.

https://inews.co.uk › news › lambeth...
Lambeth Council swears in new mayor from his own living room in first virtual ceremony | inews
 
Obviously you are right, but in strategic terms so is urbanspaceman. It was always a goal of Lambeth planning to have a fully restored strategic transport interchange at Brixton British Rail station and Brixton underground station.

Just waving this scheme through as it is will make it even more unlikely that this transport facility will never happen. In particular it could permanently rule out restoring the platforms on the Catford Loop lines.

I simply hold my hands up and say with respect to this Hondo Popes Road extravaganza we need to stop over development. But the tone of Lambeth's policies and planning decisions over the last ten years have been nothing but over development - so I am not holding my breath.

tfl said 5 years ago the cost of this would be 80 To 120 million

 
tfl said 5 years ago the cost of this would be 80 To 120 million


This would be the ideal opportunity to get some real large scale improvement for the area, no doubt Lambeth will not do this and take some short term gain and tell themselves they are doing great job. The whole planning is way too far down the line, such a shame.

I realise the project is on a totally different scale but Battersea development put in a whole extension to the northern line, at around £1billion. So getting £80million off the developers for a new platform seems sensible
 
This would be the ideal opportunity to get some real large scale improvement for the area, no doubt Lambeth will not do this and take some short term gain and tell themselves they are doing great job. The whole planning is way too far down the line, such a shame.

I realise the project is on a totally different scale but Battersea development put in a whole extension to the northern line, at around £1billion. So getting £80million off the developers for a new platform seems sensible
It would cost a shitload more than that now and Hondo - who are backed by a mega US investment firm - aren't renown for their community support. If they were compelled to pay that kind of money, they'd just whine to the council and all the affordable/social housing would be stripped out of the project (see: Brixton Square).
 
It would cost a shitload more than that now and Hondo - who are backed by a mega US investment firm - aren't renown for their community support. If they were compelled to pay that kind of money, they'd just whine to the council and all the affordable/social housing would be stripped out of the project (see: Brixton Square).

Yep agree its just a missed opportunity, which is a real shame
 
tfl said 5 years ago the cost of this would be 80 To 120 million

Val Shawcross has retired as Deputy Mayor for Tramsport - so she is hardly going to follow on from her own question of 6 years ago now.
Heidi Alexander her successor has got stations coming out of her ears over in Lewisham, so she won't care.

Personally I'm more in favour of an East Brixton option. Anything to try and stem the congestion at Brixton rube.
All this shit about it would cost 30 million or 100 million is a load of fobbing off.

How much is it costing them to provide free public transport on the buses during the coronavirus emergency?
 
This would be the ideal opportunity to get some real large scale improvement for the area, no doubt Lambeth will not do this and take some short term gain and tell themselves they are doing great job. The whole planning is way too far down the line, such a shame.

I realise the project is on a totally different scale but Battersea development put in a whole extension to the northern line, at around £1billion. So getting £80million off the developers for a new platform seems sensible
The seriously bhigh cost option is putting high level platforms in - which might cost what you quote as no doubt lifts and staircase would be required, and there are issues around curvature of track.

There are two lower cost solutions - one being to reopen East Brixton station
east_brixton2.jpg

Also reinstating the Catford loop platforms at Brjxton station itself would be much less costly that putting new platforms up at the level of the Railway pub's seven sided clock.
This would give the benefit of travel to Denmark Hill, Peckham, Nunhead Lewisham and beyond, but unlike the high level option would not directly link into London Bridge and the Overground without an inconvenient platform change at Denmark Hill or Peckham.

Has anyone done work on whether East Brixton plus Brixton Catford loop platforms would be significantly cheaper than the Overhead platform solution I wonder?
 
Just read the bullshit that accompanies this photo in their application. It's obscene:

"At this point, Electric Avenue is on axis with the west end of the Site and very close to it. The proposed tall building would be clearly visible ahead. The visual texture of the design – the stepped brickwork, projecting lintels and recessed terraces towards the top – and its exceptional quality would be clearly legible.

Its pale brick and concrete detailing will complement the materiality and colouration of buildings locally, and the regular rhythm and arched shape of the openings will respond to both the 19th century terraces in the foreogrund and the rail viaduct near the Site.

The proportions of the proposed tall building, its angled orientation - responding to the adjacent viaducts - and the layering of rail lines at its base will provide a positive termination to the view at the same clearly separated from the foreground scene.

The activity and immediacy of the street market on Electric Avenue itself would still dominate the viewer’s experience. The proposed tall building would mark the continuation of that market activity on Pope’s Road, and the new public space and access to the overground Station adjacent, drawing pedestrians northwards through the viaduct.

The contrast in scale of the proposed tall building with much of its context would be noticeable in this close and axial view, however this would be balanced by the very high quality of the proposed design, which would relate well to the foreground 19th century streetscape in materials and expression, and by the appropriate location of the new marker building, adjacent to the overground station and the extended market spaces ahead.

This will be an exceptionally high quality building which will provide a memorable local landmark and which will clearly belong to the particular urban character of central Brixton.

Scale and nature of effect: major, beneficial "


It's a true carbuncle, and totally out of keeping with the history and architecture of Electric Avenue. Given all the Lottery money that's recently been used to refurbish the shops, and the focus on conservation, it seems that in itself would form a substantial objection to the height and style of the building?
 
The seriously bhigh cost option is putting high level platforms in - which might cost what you quote as no doubt lifts and staircase would be required, and there are issues around curvature of track.

There are two lower cost solutions - one being to reopen East Brixton station
east_brixton2.jpg

Also reinstating the Catford loop platforms at Brjxton station itself would be much less costly that putting new platforms up at the level of the Railway pub's seven sided clock.
This would give the benefit of travel to Denmark Hill, Peckham, Nunhead Lewisham and beyond, but unlike the high level option would not directly link into London Bridge and the Overground without an inconvenient platform change at Denmark Hill or Peckham.

Has anyone done work on whether East Brixton plus Brixton Catford loop platforms would be significantly cheaper than the Overhead platform solution I wonder?

Didn't we discuss the costs in a previous thread back in 2018 or even some of you several years back? There were reports written up with general costings of some options
 
Cambridge north station cost 50 mil, and that’s on a huge site, on the ground in a huge industrial area.

All the possible brixton station sites are above ground, in very narrow siteS, with terrible road site access.

Saying it’ll cost less than Cambridge north, despite being a much more complex site - why ?

Alex

Ps this is what you get for 10m Ilkeston railway station - Wikipedia
 
Didn't we discuss the costs in a previous thread back in 2018 or even some of you several years back? There were reports written up with general costings of some options
This Brixton/East Brixton revamp has come up several times in the last six or seven years. Not sure anyone has explored Catford loop platform feasibility though.
It's another idea similar to adding back the Denmark Hill platforms at Loughborough Junction. Ought to be easier as it is a reinstatement.
 
either way allowing a huge new project like this to be built and seemingly not making the developer expand the transport options in the area seems crazy. Where is all the extra capacity going to come from lambeth ???? They probably think can add some more buses on Brixton road to increase that pollution of something as delightful.
 
Made in China, re-branded by some Austrians. So far they've been flogging little 125s which are tarted up to look like the sort of thing you can do a Steve McQueen impression on. The 1200 pictured is a completely unknown quantity. The Chinese haven't tried selling a big bike in Europe yet. Much chin scratching going on. If it's really, REALLY cheap a few people will try it. Then we'll see.
 
I literally don't understand any of this, but they're looking for £4,150 to 'Empower leaders to be creative and continue to be motivated for change' with a goal "to build an online ecosystem of leaders serving other leaders in Lambeth. It will activate a culture of reciprocity, authenticity and creativity to sow seeds for positive change. "

Activate! Lambeth Online
“Staying connected is an essential part of keeping well during these challenging times. Draw on support you might have through your friends, family and other networks and ask for help if you need it.“ (love.lambeth.gov.uk)

We need to connect more than ever! Leadership in our communities and businesses can be challenging on an average week. However at this moment, due to isolation and Covid-19, it is vital that we connect authentically and meaningfully to continue to support our community.

This innovative online ecosystem will give an opportunity to share those challenges and offer support. It will connect 100 community leaders of positive change in Lambeth online. We will also host online meet-ups.

What are we trying to achieve?

It has become clear that during these difficult times, when people are all looking at their community leaders for ideas and support, these leaders need to maintain their own strength and motivation in order to support their communities.

Our goal is to build an online ecosystem of leaders serving other leaders in Lambeth. It will activate a culture of reciprocity, authenticity and creativity to sow seeds for positive change. It’s time we start supporting each other!

his online ecosystem will:

- Enable leaders of change to build their support systems

- Empower leaders to be creative and continue to be motivated for change

- Equip leaders by offering tools, resources and workshops online

How is it going to work?

- 1:1 onboarding to identify skills and show how to use the platform

- Showcase offers and needs through platform and via email

- Opportunities to share challenges and offer support in group sessions

- Bi-Weekly Online Events

- Access to discounted training, workshops and coaching

By supporting our ecosystem, you will create this innovative, inclusive and inspiring community of leaders for positive change.

Why now?

Since the necessity to isolate due to Covid-19, BUD conducted interviews with several Lambeth Community Leaders and they all expressed their need of connecting online with other leaders such as themselves in order to receive support and tools from people who are facing similar challenges.

One quoted "Connection would make the biggest difference for me right now".

 
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