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And newsflash, there are LOTS of people that know *nothing* about the Ritzy protests. And why should they know anything about it? They don't represent the very vocal (and probably relatively small) minority here, and presumably have lots of other things going on in their livesf.

You are one of the posters quick to have a go at Ed. Ed has done a lot to publicise the dispute on Brixton Buzz and organised fundraisers through Offline Club.

So through Eds work he has done a lot more than some who come on Brixton boards to publicise and support the campaign.

To add. I have plenty of things going on in my life. I don't know what you mean by vocal minority.
 
I haven’t, but only because there’s been nothing on I want to see. I have popped into the bar a couple of times though.

How about you? Seen any good films recently?
I'm not even slightly surprised to see your lack of support for the workers and admitting to breaking the boycott and spending your money there.
 
Re: Ritzy there’s little solidarity these days unfortunately. Maybe we are too many, too fragmented, too comfortable to think we’ll ever need it in return, too disillusioned to think it’s effective. I love the Ritzy. I love the bar at the Ritzy. But I won’t go there at the moment. I wish others felt the same the same but I guess they don’t.
I find the lack of solidarity in Brixton heartbreaking. And there definitely was a time where more people would have got involved, but the changing demographic appears to have put paid to that.

I'll never forget the sight of a group of guys laughing and drinking in the Ritzy outside drinking area while a huge demonstration against the venue was taking place right in front of them. They had no interest in supporting the workers or even listening to their arguments.
 
I can't be bothered with his. At no point have I ever said that all posh people are cunts. Not once. You're just making stuff up to try and score points. It's sad, really.
You know what paraphrasing is. Why not respond to the post rather than pick on a detail and then ask for me to hunt out your quotes. You shut down arguments/opinions with that every time. But don't respond to the main thrust of the post.

My only comment on your pre-edit post as quoted by Alex is to ask whether you would rather I didn't post alternative viewpoints on what is, after all, a discussion forum.
 
Ive said previously that I was not that keen on boycott idea for Ritzy. I'm doing it.

I used to know the staff and chat to them. Know I don't go lost that contact. Which I think is not good for campaign.

A other thing is more broader issue. Ive used Ritzy since back when it was just the Ritzy. Like I used places like Scala. When cinema was cheap. People like me kept cinemas going back then.

The Ritzy multiplex was built with post riot money to help deal with the inner city problem as it was called. Ritzy changed hands but I still went. With the changing demographic of Brixton new owners Cineworld cut a lot of the off peak cheap times. The knew they could still get punters in from the new demographic changes to in we cities.

I remember a staff member asking me why I wasn't going to Ritzy so often. Told them it was price chsnges. They said a lot of old timers had stopped due to increased cost. They weren't happy about it. The very people who kept cinemas going previously were forgotten. No longer needed.

What has happened to Ritzy is why I resent what has happened to Brixton.

I have no problems with new people. What I resent is being priced out to be replaced by them.

Seeing recent posts on this thread I'm glad I'm in Loughborough Junction. Hopefully this won't come up my way.
 
Or perhaps they do know about it and have weighed up the evidence and decided its somebody else's struggle. You have no idea what they think. And so painting people as not caring is a total fallacy.

The highlighted section. Im not clear what you mean considering the last two sentences. Are you saying that people who have weighed evidence and don't boycott Ritzy are caring?

I'm saying, as friendofdorothy posted (and I hope I represent what she said properly) that there are countless injustices going on and that one cannot act on all of them. It doesn't mean you don't care does it? I'm not going into the arguments about Ritzy pay, not am I saying I don't support them btw.

You might boycott the Ritzy but still use Amazon (yes I've used this argument before), where worker pay and conditions are far far worse. Do Amazon users who boycott the Ritzy not care about Amazon worker pay and conditions? Why differentiate against Amazon workers? Because they aren't local?
 
I'm saying, as friendofdorothy posted (and I hope I represent what she said properly) that there are countless injustices going on and that one cannot act on all of them. It doesn't mean you don't care does it? I'm not going into the arguments about Ritzy pay, not am I saying I don't support them btw.

You might boycott the Ritzy but still use Amazon (yes I've used this argument before), where worker pay and conditions are far far worse. Do Amazon users who boycott the Ritzy not care about Amazon worker pay and conditions? Why differentiate against Amazon workers? Because they aren't local?

I don't use Amazon.

Not sure why you brought that up in reply to question from me asking you clarify what you mean. You appear to assume I use it. I'm pretty sure Ive never said that. And I never have used Amazon.
 
I'm saying, as friendofdorothy posted (and I hope I represent what she said properly) that there are countless injustices going on and that one cannot act on all of them. It doesn't mean you don't care does it? I'm not going into the arguments about Ritzy pay, not am I saying I don't support them btw.

You might boycott the Ritzy but still use Amazon (yes I've used this argument before), where worker pay and conditions are far far worse. Do Amazon users who boycott the Ritzy not care about Amazon worker pay and conditions? Why differentiate against Amazon workers? Because they aren't local?

You haven't answered my question.
 
I don't use Amazon.

Not sure why you brought that up in reply to question from me asking you clarify what you mean.
That’s not my point. I never said you did. There are others on here I am sure who support Ritzy but also use Amazon.

It’s a discussion point. But if nobody wants to discuss it and are suggesting that it’s not related then that’s fine. I just think it’s an interesting dimension to the discussion, which is after all what we’re here for is it not? Rather than deliver a single minded rejection of everything that doesn’t fit with our world view.

And for the record, I’m not in any way dismissing the Ritzy issue.
 
That’s not my point. I never said you did. There are others on here I am sure who support Ritzy but also use Amazon.

It’s a discussion point. But if nobody wants to discuss it and are suggesting that it’s not related then that’s fine. I just think it’s an interesting dimension to the discussion, which is after all what we’re here for is it not? Rather than deliver a single minded rejection of everything that doesn’t fit with our world view.

And for the record, I’m not in any way dismissing the Ritzy issue.

I'm lost for words. Your post was aimed at me. You assumed I did.
 
It’s worth keeping in mind that there is no actual proof the couple in question knew about the boycott at the time. We tend to forget that a great many people don’t check local current events on websites such as this.

A search on the Ritzy thread suggests the first ramblings of a boycott emerged in February 2017, and a call for it in March, mere days before the the message was displayed on the facade I have certainly met people who were completely unaware of it months afterwards, so it’s conjecture to conclude they knew.
 
I'm not even slightly surprised to see your lack of support for the workers and admitting to breaking the boycott and spending your money there.
are you going to show your support for the workers and condemn their taxation practices by boycotting amazon?

...thought not.
 
It’s worth keeping in mind that there is no actual proof the couple in question knew about the boycott at the time. We tend to forget that a great many people don’t check local current events on websites such as this.

A search on the Ritzy thread suggests the first ramblings of a boycott emerged in February 2017, and a call for it in March, mere days before the the message was displayed on the facade I have certainly met people who were completely unaware of it months afterwards, so it’s conjecture to conclude they knew.
I still want to check out if the staff also want the public not to use the sign board there as well as avoiding the films - can anyone ask any BECTU members? I hope to see an ex - ritzy worker on wed so I intend to ask then.
 
are you going to show your support for the workers and condemn their taxation practices by boycotting amazon?

...thought not.
Are Amazon workers actively in dispute and calling for a boycott? That’s the difference, the Rutzy staff are in an official dispute, and have requested a boycott. That’s by they should be bocotted, and if Amazon workers organise and put out the same call we should do the same. I personally feel they lacked experienced union support to better publicise the boycott, but thinking of the big historic trade union backed disputes of the past - grunwick, garners even the miners strike, which were defeated by the resilience of the bosses and the eventual lack of wider movement support for the long haul battle, I’m not sure even if there had been more persistent activity it would have made much difference. Solidarity is difficult to generate these days. to be fair to the people breaking the boycott, I’m sure many were doing so unwittingly as they’re not crossing a picket line or being handed leaflets as they approach the cinema. That is how the local supporters of the staff could have helped to reduce income to the company. Long duration disputes need a pool of committed activists that maintain consistent pressure. Chatting on line in forums and sharing photos of the occasional pickets isn’t what wins disputes. There’s nothing to stop supporters organising flash pickets , or managing a rota of supporters to ensure that no one enters that cinema without knowing they’re breaking a boycott. They had some success with the dispute but I think it’s simply run out of steam.
 
A search on the Ritzy thread suggests the first ramblings of a boycott emerged in February 2017, and a call for it in March, mere days before the the message was displayed on the facade I have certainly met people who were completely unaware of it months afterwards, so it’s conjecture to conclude they knew.

I think you will find mention of the boycott back as far as early 2014
 
I find it easy to 'boycott the Ritzy' as its so expensive. What little custom I have, as I don't go the pictures much these days, I take elsewhere. Which is a shame as the Ritzy on my doorstep and I've been going there for over 30years
 
are you going to show your support for the workers and condemn their taxation practices by boycotting amazon?

...thought not.
Are Amazon workers actively calling for a boycott? If not, your post is ignorant, ridiculous gibberish.
 
I'm saying, as friendofdorothy posted (and I hope I represent what she said properly) that there are countless injustices going on and that one cannot act on all of them. It doesn't mean you don't care does it? I'm not going into the arguments about Ritzy pay, not am I saying I don't support them btw.

You might boycott the Ritzy but still use Amazon (yes I've used this argument before), where worker pay and conditions are far far worse. Do Amazon users who boycott the Ritzy not care about Amazon worker pay and conditions? Why differentiate against Amazon workers? Because they aren't local?
So your argument is: don't bother supporting a boycott by local workers because you might be using services by workers elsewhere who have it worse (even though they've not asked people to boycott their services). So don't support any industrial action by anyone, and you just carry on doing as you please.

That's a nice handy argument that leaves you free to enjoy the Ritzy whenever it suits you, isn't it?
 
I find it easy to 'boycott the Ritzy' as its so expensive. What little custom I have, as I don't go the pictures much these days, I take elsewhere. Which is a shame as the Ritzy on my doorstep and I've been going there for over 30years
I used to like going to the cafe there. It was one of my favourite places to work and I knew loads of the staff and customers so it was always friendly. I miss it.
 
Was that a request from the BECTU staff? or just locals?

A lot of talk about boycotting the Ritzy on this thread - surely we should only do this if the staff call for it.

Fozzie Bear brought up issue of boycott on the Free Entry to a film thread.

I messaged Ritzy on FB and they came back to say that their position has changed now that Cineworld/ Picturehouse have pulled out of talks and imposed a 4% pay rise.

Ritzy workers are now calling for a boycott of Picturehouse cinemas.

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The boycott is on!
Striking Brixton Ritzy workers call for boycott of all Picturehouse cinemas
 
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