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That's because you're not interested.

I think it drops of people's radar. There seems a flurry of activity, even a bit of press, and then nothing for weeks.

I haven't been to the Ritzy for so long now I wouldn't be able to tell you the last time, but there's loads going on there I'd want to attend, but won't, yet I am no clearer on where things are in terms of the dispute, only that it is still going on...

...people just forget, I reckon...
 
I think it drops of people's radar. There seems a flurry of activity, even a bit of press, and then nothing for weeks.

I haven't been to the Ritzy for so long now I wouldn't be able to tell you the last time, but there's loads going on there I'd want to attend, but won't, yet I am no clearer on where things are in terms of the dispute, only that it is still going on...

...people just forget, I reckon...
I used to be a regular in the cafe but I've not spent a penny in there since the boycott was called. If they'd had more support from the community, they probably would have had this thing settled a long time ago.
 
Young people having fun, wedding ceremony in Chelsea, wedding reception in pop - it’s tailor made to flick his switches.

Alex
You appear to have missed out the main point: breaking a well publicised boycott. Strange, that.
 
Why not post up a really stupid straw man? :facepalm:
Well, it almost seems a question of time tbh. First you object to the very presence of a couple of women with posh accents at the Country Show, and now to newlyweds taking pictures of themselves on the streets of Brixton because they might be from Chelsea and the wrong social class. A bit more than a tad unfair and intolerant IMO.

And has nothing to do with the Ritzy boycott part, which is a completely separate issue- and one that I and others agree with. You appear to be increasingly hostile to the mere presence in Brixton of individuals you deem to be the wrong social or economic class, and sometimes determined by nothing more than their accent. You are perfectly entitled to that opinion of course, but shouldn’t be surprised if others find it quite wrong, and express as much.
 
Well, it almost seems a question of time tbh. First you object to the very presence of a couple of women with posh accents at the Country Show
Never mentioned women in posh accents at the country show at all. My actual complaint was hearing new visitors saying how they were going to totally win the competition next year. I preferred the competition when it was more amateurish and inclusive. The courgette penguin seems more in the spirit of the show than this year's blockbuster clever-clever Karl Marx. But that's just my opinion.
And has nothing to do with the Ritzy boycott part, which is a completely separate issue- and one that I and others agree with.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the Ritzy boycott. As I have said repeatedly. That article sends out a message that it's cool to break the boycott and stick your name up there.

But I'm not a fan of the growing inequality around Brixton.
 
I don't give a fuck about their sexuality and made a point of not even mentioning it

But any couple ignoring the well publicised Ritzy boycott is never going to be celebrated in my book.

And personally I don't like seeing the backstreets of Brixton becoming an edgy, trendy backdrop for well off, well connected, self promoting Chelsea types. But that's just me.
I think you are making all sorts of assumptions here. maybe they are priveledged / self promoting - I don't know them and I imagine neither do you - but I didnt read it that way all.

I see in the link that they had their ceremony in the chelsea town hall, which doesn't mean they are 'chelsea' types or from there, I got the impression they were south londoners who love Brixton. The first gay couple I knew to get hitched lived on Brixton Hill but had the ceremony in chelsea town hall too. Wasn't there some gay history associated with the old town hall and kings road? anyway it all sounds gloriously camp to me.

I still don't think this means they have broken the boycott. I see the article you link to says half of the cash for the sign goes to the Brixton Soup Kitchen. I thought it was a 100% to charity when we did it in 2013, but I might have been mistaken. You state so firmly that this breaks the boycott, but I'd be more interested to hear what Ritzy staff have to say.
Cineworld may own the Ritzy now - and I am not a fan and wouldn't break the boycott myself - but it is still a brixton landmark, it used to be ours. It's a building historically linked with women-only/lesbian all nighters. I mean who wouldn't want their notice on the sign that famously said THATCHER IS DEAD?
 
self promoting
seems everyone is self promoting now - isn't that what all young people do? now its all twitter this and web that - I really don't know why people want to share so much on line. I don't understand it all, and it may not be to my taste - but what is so particularly objectionable about it?
 
I still don't think this means they have broken the boycott. I see the article you link to says half of the cash for the sign goes to the Brixton Soup Kitchen. I thought it was a 100% to charity when we did it in 2013, but I might have been mistaken. You state so firmly that this breaks the boycott, but I'd be more interested to hear what Ritzy staff have to say.
Cineworld may own the Ritzy now - and I am not a fan and wouldn't break the boycott myself - but it is still a brixton landmark, it used to be ours. It's a building historically linked with women-only/lesbian all nighters. I mean who wouldn't want their notice on the sign that famously said THATCHER IS DEAD?
I agree with all that and it's a crying shame that the Ritzy has been taken away from us, and that so few people appear to care about the staff's struggle.

But - to me - uncritically celebrating the Ritzy is breaking the spirit of the boycott, and it gives out a loud message: it's cool to deal with the Ritzy. Shame.
 
But I'm not a fan of the growing inequality around Brixton.
Neither am I. But is sniping about trivial things like this the way change things?

I agree with all that and it's a crying shame that the Ritzy has been taken away from us, and that so few people appear to care about the staff's struggle.

But - to me - uncritically celebrating the Ritzy is breaking the spirit of the boycott, and it gives out a loud message: it's cool to deal with the Ritzy. Shame.
lets ask the Ritzy staff about that. And I wonder what the Brixton Soup Kitchen thinks if it is receiving money from the notices.
 
seems everyone is self promoting now - isn't that what all young people do? now its all twitter this and web that - I really don't know why people want to share so much on line. I don't understand it all, and it may not be to my taste - but what is so particularly objectionable about it?
I never said it was particularly objectionable - I said I was happy for them in my post., But I've started my reasons why the article doesn't fill my heart with joy. It was just a passing thought.
 
Never mentioned women in posh accents at the country show at all. My actual complaint was hearing new visitors saying how they were going to totally win the competition next year. I preferred the competition when it was more amateurish and inclusive. The courgette penguin seems more in the spirit of the show than this year's blockbuster clever-clever Karl Marx. But that's just my opinion.

You used the word posh twice, once prefaced by twat.

It’s pretty clear that your issue is with people you perceive as having a posh accent, whatever that is.

You also said “I so wished he'd fuck off from whence he came.”

If I’d substituted an ethnic group or race for posh into that post i’d rightly be banned.

Alex
 
Neither am I. But is sniping about trivial things like this the way change things?

lets ask the Ritzy staff about that. And I wonder what the Brixton Soup Kitchen thinks if it is receiving money from the notices.
I'm sure they're happy about it. Why shouldn't the be? They were happy when we were giving them money from our beer.

But to repeat myself for the last time: I find it a shame to see the Ritzy being uncritically celebrated in this manner. That's my personal opinion. If you're fine with it, great.
 
If I’d substituted an ethnic group or race for posh into that post i’d rightly be banned.
That's off the scale stupid. It's about class and privilege and has absolutely nothing to do with race. :facepalm:

And stop stripping all the context from my comments to try and make cheap points. It's pathetic.
 
That's off the scale stupid. It's about class and privilege and has absolutely nothing to do with race. :facepalm:

And stop stripping all the context from my comments to try and make cheap points. It's pathetic.

How on earth can you tell how privileged they are ?

I assume they were lighting cigars with 50 pound notes ?

Alex
 
There’s never any comment on what posh *actually* means, just that *they* are all cunts, even though we know nothing of these people’s history or income.
Oh, I see you've belatedly popped in to try and stir the pot with some pointless gibberish that bears no relation to what was actually said. Well done. Zzzzz :rolleyes:
 
Oh, I see you've belatedly popped in to try and stir the pot with some pointless gibberish that bears no relation to what was actually said. Well done. Zzzzz :rolleyes:
Nonsense. People get judged (often quite harshly) on the basis of something they say, something they choose to eat or drink, where they choose to live. When nothing is known about their background, income, political views. I find that odd.

And newsflash, there are LOTS of people that know *nothing* about the Ritzy protests. And why should they know anything about it? They don't represent the very vocal (and probably relatively small) minority here, and presumably have lots of other things going on in their lives. Not everybody can give a shit about everything you give a shit about. That's not to say they don't or wouldn't care if they did know about it. Or perhaps they do know about it and have weighed up the evidence and decided its somebody else's struggle. You have no idea what they think. And so painting people as not caring is a total fallacy.

Oh, and you're mistaking 'having a considered opinion' for 'stirring the pot'. You're always banging on about ad hominems; you're far from innocent in that yourself.
 
Nonsense. People get judged (often quite harshly) on the basis of something they say, something they choose to eat or drink, where they choose to live. When nothing is known about their background, income, political views. I find that odd.

And newsflash, there are LOTS of people that know *nothing* about the Ritzy protests. And why should they know anything about it? They don't represent the very vocal (and probably relatively small) minority here, and presumably have lots of other things going on in their lives. Not everybody can give a shit about everything you give a shit about. That's not to say they don't or wouldn't care if they did know about it. Or perhaps they do know about it and have weighed up the evidence and decided its somebody else's struggle. You have no idea what they think. And so painting people as not caring is a total fallacy.

Oh, and you're mistaking 'having a considered opinion' for 'stirring the pot'. You're always banging on about ad hominems; you're far from innocent in that yourself.
I can't be bothered with his. At no point have I ever said that all posh people are cunts. Not once. You're just making stuff up to try and score points. It's sad, really.
 
And newsflash, there are LOTS of people that know *nothing* about the Ritzy protests. And why should they know anything about it? They don't represent the very vocal (and probably relatively small) minority here, and presumably have lots of other things going on in their lives. Not everybody can give a shit about everything you give a shit about. That's not to say they don't or wouldn't care if they did know about it. Or perhaps they do know about it and have weighed up the evidence and decided its somebody else's struggle. You have no idea what they think. And so painting people as not caring is a total fallacy.

The highlighted section. Im not clear what you mean considering the last two sentences. Are you saying that people who have weighed evidence and don't boycott Ritzy are caring?
 
Re: Ritzy there’s little solidarity these days unfortunately. Maybe we are too many, too fragmented, too comfortable to think we’ll ever need it in return, too disillusioned to think it’s effective. I love the Ritzy. I love the bar at the Ritzy. But I won’t go there at the moment. I wish others felt the same the same but I guess they don’t.
 
Given all this discussion here, would it be possible to get an update on the Picturehouse dispute? Is there a helpful link?

However, what the dispute has reminded me is how easy it is to get to the West End from Brixton. So who needs the Ritzy?
 
There’s never any comment on what posh *actually* means, just that *they* are all cunts, even though we know nothing of these people’s history or income.
Its all part of 'people from outside Brixton move to Brixton' shocker. I'm not from Brixton as I'm sure a lot of people on these boards are not either. It's taken a while, but I feel welcome here now.

These small skirmishes about the behavior of indivuals in Brixton, or who is posh, annoy me. Who are we (ie anyone on urban) to make judgements about others? Who are we to say who is welcome? or that they are enjoying themselves in the wrong way?
 
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Nonsense. People get judged (often quite harshly) on the basis of something they say, something they choose to eat or drink, where they choose to live. When nothing is known about their background, income, political views. I find that odd.

And newsflash, there are LOTS of people that know *nothing* about the Ritzy protests. And why should they know anything about it? They don't represent the very vocal (and probably relatively small) minority here, and presumably have lots of other things going on in their lives. Not everybody can give a shit about everything you give a shit about. That's not to say they don't or wouldn't care if they did know about it. Or perhaps they do know about it and have weighed up the evidence and decided its somebody else's struggle. You have no idea what they think. And so painting people as not caring is a total fallacy.

You are right its hard to care about everything. What about winning the living wage eveywhere else? - what about carers working their socks off for minimum wage, what about the companies sucking the life out of people with zero hours contracts? or destorying our planet? What about the millions fleeing war? What about the millions of homeless and precariously housed? or made destitute by our social security system? It is disingenuous to pretend that anyone can care 100% about everything, all the time. Most of us have to make hard choices about our personal piorities.

Now it feels like many people have no understanding of unionism at all, it was Thatcher's aim to destroy the power of unions and in many respects she has won. Re education is needed and I'm not sure how to go about that, though it needs to come from the unions who seem more concerned with selling me cheap insurance than protecting employment rights.

I think the Ritzy workers have done quite well in having visible strikes and having won some media interest and support from other unions - like the screen writers union (I think) who have refused to hold premieres at Cineworld. It's a shame that so few people are in unions, or understand what industrial action means, and have no shame in crossing a picket line. I wonder how many people going by even know that when ever that board outside is blank it means the Ritzy workers are on strike?
 
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