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You can post all the research you want. None of it that I have ever seen will give you any indication as to what poor people wish to do with whatever little money they have.

Are you actually suggesting that poor people are never capable or wishing to treat themselves to something a little out of the ordinary? Really?

Id say in Coldharbour Ward that is the case in my experience

Take the Grove Adventure playground In involved in. Its free service for local residents. Many parents could not afford holiday play schemes. Even if they are in relative terms for London "cheap". Such as the Brixton Rec one.
 
I honestly don’t understand why.
As I said earlier, I think it's insulting. Being poor is a demoralising experience in and of itself but even more so when your community is full of offers and opportunities which would cost your entire weekly food budget.
No effort to include poor people and it seems incongruent with the community ethos of the venue.
 
As I said earlier, I think it's insulting. Being poor is a demoralising experience in and of itself but even more so when your community is full of offers and opportunities which would cost your entire weekly food budget.
No effort to include poor people and it seems incongruent with the community ethos of the venue.

They are running private classes in Brixton ( paying money to and therefore funding a community venue ), to raise funds to train migrants.

It’s sole objective is to raise money to train “poor people”.

Is the insulting bit that they are trying to raise too much money ?

Alex
 
They are running private classes in Brixton ( paying money to and therefore funding a community venue ), to raise funds to train migrants.

It’s sole objective is to raise money to train “poor people”.
I thought it was to give them jobs.
Do you have a problem with me saying poor people? If so, please elaborate rather than just "quoting me"


Is the insulting bit that they are trying to raise too much money ?

Alex
There are children in the area who will not eat lunch for the next two weeks because it's half term and their families struggle to feed them without school lunches. Food poverty.

The community is overrun by eateries and foodie things to do, none of them are accessible to poor people. Do you really not understand why it's insulting for them to walk past all of this, hunger in their bellies and always having to tell their children 'no'?

It's not insulting that they are fundraising for their business but they are contributing to the marginalisation and demoralisation of the poor.
 
I thought it was to give them jobs.
Do you have a problem with me saying poor people? If so, please elaborate rather than just "quoting me"



There are children in the area who will not eat lunch for the next two weeks because it's half term and their families struggle to feed them without school lunches. Food poverty.

The community is overrun by eateries and foodie things to do, none of them are accessible to poor people. Do you really not understand why it's insulting for them to walk past all of this, hunger in their bellies and always having to tell their children 'no'?

It's not insulting that they are fundraising for their business but they are contributing to the marginalisation and demoralisation of the poor.
The Brixton pound cafe is the one place in Brixton where people can afford to eat and socialise regardless of their income as customers choose what they pay. I think that makes it a valuable part of our community. It’s not a commercial business it’s a social enterprise and if they can raise money from the richer residents of Brixton, with the intention of feeding any profits back into their worthy enterprise then that’s got to be a good move. Short of piling the poor into ghettos physically apart from the rest of the community, there will always be the issue of poorer residents having to walk past rows of businesses selling stuff they can’t afford. It’s the way the world is, and that’s the reason many of us are socialists hoping to change the whole system. Picking on the one business in Brixton that really does offer food at a price everyone can afford seems a bit mean to be honest. The cooking classes are a fundraiser for migrants so I hope they charge as higher prices as they can get the customers to pay. That is generally the idea with fundraising activities.
 
The Brixton pound cafe is the one place in Brixton where people can afford to eat and socialise regardless of their income as customers choose what they pay. I think that makes it a valuable part of our community. It’s not a commercial business it’s a social enterprise and if they can raise money from the richer residents of Brixton, with the intention of feeding any profits back into their worthy enterprise then that’s got to be a good move. Short of piling the poor into ghettos physically apart from the rest of the community, there will always be the issue of poorer residents having to walk past rows of businesses selling stuff they can’t afford. It’s the way the world is, and that’s the reason many of us are socialists hoping to change the whole system. Picking on the one business in Brixton that really does offer food at a price everyone can afford seems a bit mean to be honest. The cooking classes are a fundraiser for migrants so I hope they charge as higher prices as they can get the customers to pay. That is generally the idea with fundraising activities.
And that about wraps it up. Or should, anyway.
 
The Brixton pound cafe is the one place in Brixton where people can afford to eat and socialise regardless of their income as customers choose what they pay. I think that makes it a valuable part of our community. It’s not a commercial business it’s a social enterprise and if they can raise money from the richer residents of Brixton, with the intention of feeding any profits back into their worthy enterprise then that’s got to be a good move. Short of piling the poor into ghettos physically apart from the rest of the community, there will always be the issue of poorer residents having to walk past rows of businesses selling stuff they can’t afford. It’s the way the world is, and that’s the reason many of us are socialists hoping to change the whole system. Picking on the one business in Brixton that really does offer food at a price everyone can afford seems a bit mean to be honest. The cooking classes are a fundraiser for migrants so I hope they charge as higher prices as they can get the customers to pay. That is generally the idea with fundraising activities.
I've said I have good will for them and have interpreted their community ethos quite accurately, I haven't made any condemnation of them so I really don't think I'm picking on them. I'm allowed to have a critical opinion though aren't I? Allowed to point out that the irony of a community resource for affordable food hosting unaffordable cookery classes in a borough with food poverty is faintly insulting.
I don't think that's mean. It's a judgement based on context and opinion.

I find your comment about this is just how the world is depressing and fatalistic but if thats the case then I'll still show some solidarity with the people being fucked over by the way it is. Each to their own.
 
I offered concessionary rates on my Brixton Bowie charity fundraiser (and let some people in for free). The full price tickets were only £7 anyway, so relatively affordable and cheaper than any of the comparable Bowie events taking place on the same weekend - and they were all for private profit. I still managed to raise well over £1,500 which has been given away to local charities.

#justsaying
 
I've said I have good will for them and have interpreted their community ethos quite accurately, I haven't made any condemnation of them so I really don't think I'm picking on them. I'm allowed to have a critical opinion though aren't I? Allowed to point out that the irony of a community resource for affordable food hosting unaffordable cookery classes in a borough with food poverty is faintly insulting.
I don't think that's mean. It's a judgement based on context and opinion.

You said

they should be less fucking ignorant.
 
This is the world's most depressing thread. Please delete my account, I can't stand it any longer. Utterly miserable sniping and bitterness, fucking dreadful.
 
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Here's a pretty, late night photo of the town centre.

What isn't so pretty is the herds of drunk laaads out on the lash
 
And that about wraps it up. Or should, anyway.

Just for clarification. When Southlondon says:
. It’s the way the world is, and that’s the reason many of us are socialists hoping to change the whole system.

You and the other posters who liked Southlondons post won't have a problem with a radical socialist Labour government bringing about a socialist UK?
 
Slightly irritated by watching the NHS Long Term Plan committee on BBC Parliament.
Main witness Simon Stevens, CEO of NHS England. Former ward Councillor Angell Ward 1998 - 2002 (now called Coldharbpur Ward - under new boundaries)
The gist of the meeting seems to be that councils are expected to pick up funding more and more NHS costs from VD clinics to autism services.
They are not saying anything about the cuts to council funding from central government we keep hearing about.

What does it all mean? My former councillor seems to support a system whereby NHS funding comes from the council - whose funding has been cut.
A bit like President Trump raving about Obama care. Of course Simon Stevens last appointment before NHS England was with United Health Minnesota (in Brazil and other third world countries). The ideal candidate to put through NHS cuts under the guise of "reform".

And he was a LABOUR councillor, a LABOUR councillor (to quote Neil Kinnock)
BBC Parliament - Select Committees, NHS Long Term Plan Committee
 
I've said I have good will for them and have interpreted their community ethos quite accurately, I haven't made any condemnation of them so I really don't think I'm picking on them. I'm allowed to have a critical opinion though aren't I? Allowed to point out that the irony of a community resource for affordable food hosting unaffordable cookery classes in a borough with food poverty is faintly insulting.
I don't think that's mean. It's a judgement based on context and opinion.

I find your comment about this is just how the world is depressing and fatalistic but if thats the case then I'll still show some solidarity with the people being fucked over by the way it is. Each to their own.
Hosting unaffordable cookery classes but providing hot meals for what ever your pockets can afford. No other business in Brixton allows the customer to set the price paid. Of course you’re allowed a critical opinion, but don’t try to paint this worthy enterprise as somehow part of the gentrification problem. They are part of the solution as they are taking money from the wealthier customers to subsidise the poorer ones. You should be picking on the profit chasing chains that offer nothing to those on limited incomes other than unaffordable products and minimum wage jobs
 
I offered concessionary rates on my Brixton Bowie charity fundraiser (and let some people in for free). The full price tickets were only £7 anyway, so relatively affordable and cheaper than any of the comparable Bowie events taking place on the same weekend - and they were all for private profit. I still managed to raise well over £1,500 which has been given away to local charities.

#justsaying
The capacity at your fundraiser would have been far greater than places at the cookery session, therefore allowing a few in for free wouldn’t have the same detrimental impact on funds raised that allowing even 2 or 3 free places on the cookery session would have had.
 
The capacity at your fundraiser would have been far greater than places at the cookery session, therefore allowing a few in for free wouldn’t have the same detrimental impact on funds raised that allowing even 2 or 3 free places on the cookery session would have had.
Again, NO ONE has ever suggested that anyone should ever be let in for free at this cookery session. But for the reasons already explained, I feel that one or two concessionary rates for locals on benefits would have been more appropriate given the high cost of the event, the nature of the venue and the area it's in, where some people are struggling to survive.

I don't think that's too controversial an opinion.
 
I think the Brixton Pound Cafe is only available for private classes on request, for a minimum of 8 people. Open classes aren’t held there according to the Migrateful website. The fee goes towards paying for chef training for refugees. I have actually met one of their alumni - she's a Syrian refugee and lawyer who isn’t allowed to practice law here. Thanks to Migrateful she now runs her own catering business.
 
Again, NO ONE has ever suggested that anyone should ever be let in for free at this cookery session. But for the reasons already explained, I feel that one or two concessionary rates for locals on benefits would have been more appropriate given the high cost of the event, the nature of the venue and the area it's in, where some people are struggling to survive.

I don't think that's too controversial an opinion.

What are you suggesting as a concessionary rate ?
 
It was your idea !
It was my suggestion to include at least one or two concessionary rates for the reasons I have stated many times. Seeing as they're not offering any such rates, there is absolutely no point me dreaming up suggested rates for your pointless titillation.
 
It was my suggestion to include at least one or two concessionary rates for the reasons I have stated many times. Seeing as they're not offering any such rates, there is absolutely no point me dreaming up suggested rates for your pointless titillation.

And do you now understand why you offering discounted rates for a large event with very low per person fixed costs ( an event in a bar ), is totally different to them offering discounted rates for a very small event with relatively high per person fixed costs ( a meal ) ?
 
And do you now understand why you offering discounted rates for a large event with very low per person fixed costs ( an event in a bar ), is totally different to them offering discounted rates for a very small event with relatively high per person fixed costs ( a meal ) ?
Oh, so you're going to just continue anyway? :rolleyes: :facepalm:
 
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