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hiraethified
The cause is great but it's a real shame that the prices are so high because that will prevent many local people from getting involved. I don't see any reduced prices for those on low income/unemployed.
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T & P
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You can post all the research you want. None of it that I have ever seen will give you any indication as to what poor people wish to do with whatever little money they have.
Are you actually suggesting that poor people are never capable or wishing to treat themselves to something a little out of the ordinary? Really?
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hiraethified
Clearly, I have said nothing of the sort but this constant excusing of unaffordable fun and trendy activities/restaurants/bars as being OK because they'll make up yet another of these seemingly unlimited 'occasional treats' is frankly painful to read. There's people on my estate using foodbanks. Wouldn't you rather these courses be offered at a rate that is not so far out of their grasp?
And are you really OK with courses being set up in an area where many, many people are on benefits but there's no discounts available to these people?
T & P
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Unless you think the Brixton Pound Cafe have been ripped off, I would say such course is as cheap as you are ever going to find it anywhere for that kind of experience. Indeed, the fact that it is being held in the Brixton Pound Cafe will almost certainly have ensured it is cheaper than it would otherwise be.
I am as okay or not okay with it as with the countless pubs, resturants, bars and other leisure businesses in the same area also offering wares that are just as out of reach to the poorest people in Brixton.
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hiraethified
Oh, a politician's answer.
But I get it. You've no problem with this place offering zero discount for the less well off because, err, leisure businesses.But I think most people can stretch to a half in a pub. You know, as an 'occasional treat.'
T & P
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Believe me, my alleged skills at politician's answers pale in significance to your own, given your tactic of constantly shifting the argument from one question to another with every reply.Oh, a politician's answer.
Your initial observation was that the price of these courses were a bit pricey "for the Brixton Pound Cafe". I answered that point, but then you quickly swifted the argument to whether the price might exclude parts of the population, instead of either defending your initial point about the surroundings not being adequate. Then swiftly shifted the argument yet again to the issue of discounts for the well-off.
Nah. My politican's skills have nothing on yours
And yet, when I and others have suggested in this forum over the years that most people can stetch to marginally more pricey pint in a pub, all hell has broken loose. I'm sorry, but either we're all capable of claiming to know what is or isn't affordable for the poorest people in the area, or nobody is. Nobody but the individual person in question, that is.
T & P
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And in actual fact, no, the poorest can’t even ‘stretch to a half’ in a pub since they struggle to put food on the table, and virtually have not a single penny of disposable income available to them. If you claim to reckon otherwise, please don’t criticise others for making their own assumptions as to what people can or cannot afford.
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hiraethified
There's a fucking immense world of difference between a cheap half pint in places like the Beehive and the Prince Albert and the rip-off hipster craft ale places you're always defending.
snowy_again
Slush
It's a fundraiser? Therefore you aim it at your audience to give you cash, or influence. If you look on their site, anyone can volunteer and take part in their wider food / training activities and cook and eat together.
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hiraethified
It's possible to have a fundraiser and not exclude those at the bottom from all the nice activities, you know.
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snowy_again
Slush
Well that's an obvious statement, but I'm not really sure what it adds to this conversation.
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hiraethified
If people can't understand why a growing local landscape of unaffordable 'treats,' out of reach opportunities and expensive restaurants and bars is not a good thing for those who can't join in, then I'll just give up on it.
snowy_again
Slush
Again, that's got nothing to do with a fundraiser which was the question in hand.
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hiraethified
Where is this particular event billed as a "fundraiser"?
snowy_again
Slush
It's probably not - calling things a "fundraiser" creates a different tone and affects what audiences do and how / whether they respond. Fundraising fatigue and all that, plus perpetuating a patriarchal approach.
Having it as part of what you offer (ie. to engage with potential supporters directly with your client base through food) means you can continually raise funds to support your work.
Having it as part of what you offer (ie. to engage with potential supporters directly with your client base through food) means you can continually raise funds to support your work.
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hiraethified
That's all splendid but I still think it's crap that they don't offer any discount at all for the many, many locals on low income/benefits in the area. But if you're fine with that, that's grand.
CH1
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T & P
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No, there is no difference whatsoever within the context of someone very poor who might ocassionally afford a half pint. If someone can afford to spend £1.60 on a half pint in the Albert, they're also able to spend £2.40 in one in Pop. Is fucking ludicrous to suggest someone is extremely poor but could just about to stretch to spending £1.60 on a drink at a pub, but spending an extra 70p on said drink would tip them over the edge.
The bottom line of course is that the overwhelming majority of people who are so poor they could only afford to spend less than £2 on a single drink in pub, would never choose to spend the money in a pub in the first place. And make no mistake that there are plenty of people who simply cannot afford a single drink in any pub no matter how cheap it seems to you.
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hiraethified
What a silly argument.
You can spend a LOT more on a half pint in Pop, even if standing in the cold and drinking from a plastic glass while surrounded by noisy young professionals is your thing. Doesn't sound much of a 'treat' to me compared to settling into a sofa in a warm pub, mind.
Does anyone know what the plan for Ferndale Road is?
A few weeks ago we were told about funding to create a low traffic route: Atlantic Road to be transformed and Ferndale and Railton Roads to be ‘low traffic’
But this week the Brixton end has been resurfaced, with no obvious change in the shape of the road. A simple resurfacing and repainting.
A case of left hand, right hand not joining up?
A few weeks ago we were told about funding to create a low traffic route: Atlantic Road to be transformed and Ferndale and Railton Roads to be ‘low traffic’
But this week the Brixton end has been resurfaced, with no obvious change in the shape of the road. A simple resurfacing and repainting.
A case of left hand, right hand not joining up?
snowy_again
Slush
By that logic you think it's splendid to hamper an attempt to support migrants, refugees and asylum seekers. But if you're fine with that, that's grand.
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hiraethified
That's quite the stupidest argument I've read here in quite a while. Well done.
snowy_again
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Yes, you did surpass yourself this time.
ShiftyBagLady
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Isn't there something vaguely insulting about selling £40/head cookery lessons to the well off while operating in and supposedly supporting a community in food poverty? With no concessions...
Anyway, I think that if they want to call themselves a Brixton community venture then they should make all of their events accessible to the community by assigning some free spaces and offering concessions.
Anyway, I think that if they want to call themselves a Brixton community venture then they should make all of their events accessible to the community by assigning some free spaces and offering concessions.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
Not when they're supporting and giving jobs to refugees, imho.
It’s being run by a charity which trains immigrants with cooking skills - About Us | Cookery And Language Initiative | Migrateful
https://www.migrateful.org/classes/
I assume the classes are to give the “students” experience cooking for the public as well as fundraising.
Alex
teuchter
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Where are they calling themselves a 'Brixton Community Venture'?
I don't see any claims that they are coming to Brixton to address food poverty issues here. Their purpose is to give support to migrants to the UK. Those migrants as far as I can see get paid a small amount for their work, and that money presumably comes from the income from the classes. The income presumably has to cover all of the other expenses such as hiring the spaces they use including the ones they use for training. There doesn't seem to be anyone coining it in in the background. They run the events all over London and they are aimed at people who are willing and able to pay for them. Such people exist in Brixton, so they run some events here.
They are trying to help one group of people; why are people moaning that they are not simultaneously doing something to help another group of people? What other social issues should they address while they are here?
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hiraethified
So you think that offering one or two concession rates to unemployed locals would have some kind of meaningful overall negative impact on their mission?
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