Brixton news, rumours and general chat: Autumn 2019

[Mr Retro]

Corbyn. Champion of the worker
Labour party staff angry at handling of possible redundancies

 

[Gramsci]

Corbyn. Champion of the worker
Labour party staff angry at handling of possible redundancies

Thing is you would never support a Labour party running on a left wing programme whoever led it.

 

[editor]

Corbyn. Champion of the worker
Labour party staff angry at handling of possible redundancies

Funny how you never post up similar minor articles critical of the Tories, isn't it?

 

[alex_]

Funny how you never post up similar minor articles critical of the Tories, isn't it?

I’m pretty sure tories being cunts isn’t particular newsworthy.

It’s about as rare as bears shitting in woods.

 

[Mr Retro]

If anybody knows somebody studying philosophy and interested in fallacies they could do them a favour and point them to this thread.

 

[nagapie]

Jesus, what has happened to the Brixton thread??? It's full of conservative, reactionary views. Personally I think being a Tory, real or yellow, is a bannable offence. Luckily the editor is more for free speech than me.

 

[Big Bertha]

Free broadband is totally feasible, as is ensuring people get a decent standard of living. But I can see you've all up for the tax-dodging, NHS-flogging, rich benefiting Tories and their campaign of scaremongering and blatant lies.
‘Broadband communism’? Outside the UK, public broadband is a raving success

You have a habit of extrapolating wildly & wrongly from minimal data.

I voted labour as it happens, but more because they were the least worse option than anything else

 

[Big Bertha]

I did actually read about it from one of the Labour parties advisors.

I see from this post your problem isn't just Corbyn but the whole shift to the left by Labour party.

Which in inner London got a thumbs up.

Here is James Meadway on the economic parts of the Labour party manifesto. He is advisor to Corbyn on economic matters.

He is interesting on how so called neutral criticism is in fact ideological.

Worth a read:

Don’t Believe the Critics — Labour’s Economic Plans Are Credible

In summary he is saying that the Labour party economic programme would have just put UK back up in the mainstream. Compared to other EU countries. That is on government intervention in economy.

What is radical is that this would be done in five years.

This country has gone down so far the road of Thatcherite Neo Liberalism as compared to other developed Western economies that putting it back to the mainstream would appear to be radical. Blue line is now Red line is proposed by the Labour party manifesto.

Not bonkers at all.

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So far from being bonkers lefty programme the counter argument could be that its not overthrowing capitalism.

Its using State power to curb the worst excesses of capitalism.

And its not out of line with other EU mainstream countries.

I find it somewhat contradictory for posters here to complain that Corbyn Labour party wasn't Remain enough. Then complain that the Labour party economic programme is bonkers. When its in line with most other EU countries.

The bonkers eonomic programme in Labour party manifesto would have moved UK from being compared to USA to mainstream European.

To quote Meadway:

Quoting Corbyns economic advisor (spoiler: he thinks is a great plan) to bolster your argument that Corbyns economic (Corbynomics?) plan is fantastic is as bonkers as the plan itself.

 

[editor]

If anybody knows somebody studying philosophy and interested in fallacies they could do them a favour and point them to this thread.

If anybody knows somebody studying wriggleomics and spineless debate they could do them a favour and point them to this thread.

For the third time of asking: What's your opinion on Labour's plans to nationalise the railways?

 

[Mr Retro]

If anybody knows somebody studying wriggleomics and spineless debate they could do them a favour and point them to this thread.

For the third time of asking: What's your opinion on Labour's plans to nationalise the railways?

I’m not wriggling. I think you are a bad faith debater who has no actual interest in my opinion so as I’ve told you I’m not letting you frame the debate on your terms.

 

[editor]

I’m not wriggling. I think you are a bad faith debater who has no actual interest in my opinion so as I’ve told you I’m not letting you frame the debate on your terms.

This debate is about Corbyn's policies. Nationalising the railways was one of his key issues. Why are you so scared of answering this simple and directly related question?

But if you have no actual interest in engaging in honest debate, then why not do everyone a favour and fuck off out of this thread rather than wasting everyone's time with your dishonest, disruptive bullshit?

 

[editor]

Who's going Saturday?
Interview: Alabama 3 talk to Buzz ahead of Saturday’s eagerly awaited Brixton Academy homecoming

 

[TopCat]

That the right feel more confident here just reflects changing Brixton.
Not nice for the editor. Like paying for the carpet cleaning after people you loathe vomit and piss on it again and again.

 

[TopCat]

Who's going Saturday?
Interview: Alabama 3 talk to Buzz ahead of Saturday’s eagerly awaited Brixton Academy homecoming

I'm looking forward to this muchley.

 

[editor]

That the right feel more confident here just reflects changing Brixton.
Not nice for the editor. Like paying for the carpet cleaning after people you loathe vomit and piss on it again and again.

It's almost like some of are too embarrassed to admit just how right wing/pro-Tory they've become, so they just avoid any tricky topics in the hope of retaining some 'Brixton' credibility.

 

[Angellic]

Bonkers manifesto was along the lines of

free broadband for everyone!
Free money for everyone!

it was garbage

No one read it let alone actually believed any of it in the first place.

It struck me, a life-long Labour supporter (except at a local level) as one thing after another and it just felt too ambitious.

 

[editor]

More fun than you can shake a stick at

In photos: Winter Funland returns to a rainy Windrush Square

 

[editor]

It struck me, a life-long Labour supporter (except at a local level) as one thing after another and it just felt too ambitious.

Better to be ambitious than just go along with the tax-shirking corporate-favouring status quo. There's plenty of money out there to pay for this kind of stuff. If the railways were nationalised, for example, all those juicy fat profits would be going back into the infrastructure rather than being siphoned off by faraway companies who are only interested in profit.

 

[nagapie]

It struck me, a life-long Labour supporter (except at a local level) as one thing after another and it just felt too ambitious.

Oh not another one!

The UK is the 5th richest country in the world. Ambition, if that's what fairness is being called these days, is not a problem.

 

[Big Bertha]

It struck me, a life-long Labour supporter (except at a local level) as one thing after another and it just felt too ambitious.

Oh not another one!

The UK is the 5th richest country in the world. Ambition, if that's what fairness is being called these days, is not a problem.

it was insane, not fair
It also didn’t work because most people thought it was unworkable

 

[Gramsci]

Quoting Corbyns economic advisor (spoiler: he thinks is a great plan) to bolster your argument that Corbyns economic (Corbynomics?) plan is fantastic is as bonkers as the plan itself.

I'm starting to lose my patience.

James Meadway is respected economist from the left.

I used his article as it provides a cogent argument that the Labour party manifesto should be taken sincerely.

I've tried my best to have civilised debate and all you repeat is that its "bonkers".

 

[nagapie]

it was insane, not fair
It also didn’t work because most people thought it was unworkable

Your views are crap.

 

[editor]

it was insane, not fair
It also didn’t work because most people thought it was unworkable

That's because the heavily financed right wing media and the lie-filled anti-Corbyn social media campaign kept repeating that it was 'unworkable' and people like you just blindly accepted and parroted those claims.

And the notion that Johnson's ill-thought out hard Brexit is somehow a better and safer alternative for the UK is fucking insane.

 

[editor]

Please give what you can! Age UK Lambeth’s Christmas Campaign 2019 – help the crowdfunder hit its target

 

[twistedAM]

Has the UK Politics forum closed down?

 

[theboris]

Who's going Saturday?
Interview: Alabama 3 talk to Buzz ahead of Saturday’s eagerly awaited Brixton Academy homecoming

Me, got a last minute pair of tix from a pal who can't go. Will be a bit of a contrast to Modney Rodney I saw at the O2 on Tue - it was a three-line whip - my wife loves him.

 

[brixtonscot]

Who's going Saturday?
Interview: Alabama 3 talk to Buzz ahead of Saturday’s eagerly awaited Brixton Academy homecoming

I'm going but got bad sciatica , so will have a seat upstairs
( somebody posted on A3 FB page for them to keep politics out of their music !!!!! )

 

[Gramsci]

Quoting Corbyns economic advisor (spoiler: he thinks is a great plan) to bolster your argument that Corbyns economic (Corbynomics?) plan is fantastic is as bonkers as the plan itself.

What about this instead:

Labour’s spending plans backed by more than 160 prominent economists

Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists who say the party understands the nation’s deep-seated problems and has devised a “serious programme” for dealing with them.

In a letter published in the Financial Times, the group said Labour’s plans to invest in homes, schools and infrastructure make “basic economic sense”, partly because borrowing costs are at a historic low

The group, which includes professor David Blanchflower, a former member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee, and Victoria Chick, emeritus professor of economics at University College London, savaged the record of the Conservative and coalition governments.

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So are these peoples views "bonkers" / "insane"?

 

[editor]

What about this instead:

Labour’s spending plans backed by more than 160 prominent economists




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So are these peoples views "bonkers" / "insane"?

I'll be very surprised if you get a credible response as some self-professed 'Labour' supporting posters here are only interested in uncritically parroting Tory bullshit or avoiding tricky questions altogether.

 

[Gramsci]

Has the UK Politics forum closed down?

Thing is the Brixton forum has become place where posters can post pretty right wing views and get away with it.

On politics boards they would get short shrift.

Mr Retro does not live anywhere near South London but still graces Brixton forum with his views.