No, it doesn't.I see what you mean. I don't think there is any suggestion that the LTNs are responsible for such quiet main roads. So it does rather beg the question ... are the LTNs actually necessary?
Thought I'd record some of the traffic chaos caused by the Oval and Railton LN schemes, as I returned home from town this evening. They range between about 4.30 and 4.45pm so the early part of evening rush hour.
The bit between Vauxhall and Kennington (Harleyford Rd)
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The junction by Oval Tube station
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What do you mean by virus related?. Is the furlough virus related?. How long do you think this pandemic response will go on for?.
When was this normal proper consultation you are talking about happening?. Look at the rules for the upcoming emissions zone, they're meaningless - that's where consultation takes you - the status quo.
Yes, a radical change like this will get dragged down by nimbys until it’s meaningless.So you are saying the public should not be consulted?
Yes, a radical change like this will get dragged down by nimbys until it’s meaningless.
Oval LTN update:
Save Oval Streets – residents state their support for the Oval Triangle Low Traffic Neighbourhood
Yesterday, we ran a statement from the OneOval resident’s group which was highly critical of the Oval Triangle Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) scheme. Although the article brought up many common co…www.brixtonbuzz.com
With home working the amount of traffic has dropped. The City is still a ghost town. So all round there is a lot less traffic going on some of these roads.
Lot more peope cycling to work. From what I saw today on Vauxhall brigde. The cycling rush hour home was busy.
IMO there is probably a lot less through traffic than before due to empty City.
Best way to stop congestion would be a move to home working. Its possible. The pandemic has shown it works.
Zoom meettings/ internet technology its all there for move to home working. Also automation of some jobs.
Way to stop a lot of traffic could be done by altering work and how its done.
Quite. It doesn't prove anything. I was simply pointing out that your photos can be interpreted in any way you wish. It wasn't a serious question.No, it doesn't.
It also doesn't prove that there will be no problems with displaced traffic.
It's just a record of the actual situation at a certain time on a certain day.
When we're all in our 90s and arguing about whether a liveable neighbourhood scheme should be implemented somewhere around brixton and someone says but don't you remember back in 2020 when they tried the railton road one and there was constant traffic chaos for weeks I'll quote that post and say no, it was mainly just that the anti camp won the twitter propaganda battle and Lambeth bottled it before we could see the real results.
That might be true in the city but out in the burbs the reverse is true. Much more traffic as people use their cars to avoid public transport. Definitely the case on my street which is not a main road.With home working the amount of traffic has dropped. The City is still a ghost town. So all round there is a lot less traffic going on some of these roads.
Same access as everyone else.Just wondering how does the LTN work for the following.....
deliveries, Amazon, deliveroo etc
electric cars ?
car club vehicles vans and cars ?
so you are saying they are allowed in/thru or not ( sorry not really been following the topic )Same access as everyone else.
ETA: not sure whether Deliveroo might be classified as an emergency service?
They can get everywhere. Just cannot pass through the gates so may need to use alternative points of access.so you are saying they are allowed in/thru or not ( sorry not really been following the topic )
So the denizens of trigon road are denied KFC delivery if it comes by moped ?They can get everywhere. Just cannot pass through the gates so may need to use alternative points of access.
I reckon the likelihood of the universe being an unmitigated disaster is relatively high then.Quite. It doesn't prove anything. I was simply pointing out that your photos can be interpreted in any way you wish. It wasn't a serious question.
To be honest, whatever transpires, I will consider life, the universe and everything to have been an unmitigated disaster I am still discussing LTNs with you in my 90s.
No. Everyone retains access to KFC deliveries. They may have to come via a different/longer route though.So the denizens of trigon road are denied KFC delivery if it comes by moped ?
so you can drive thru as a non resident but have to go round the houses a bit ?No. Everyone retains access to KFC deliveries. They may have to come via a different/longer route though.
I don't know the specifics of that road but it seems unlikely. It is still access all areas. Just perhaps by a different route.So the denizens of trigon road are denied KFC delivery if it comes by moped ?
I dont get it, why do they need anpr, fines for non compliance etc if it’s access all areas. I’m asking because a woman I know walks dogs for a living and she told me it’s caused much grief because she is picking up/dropping off dogs in the oval triangle and the dogs are spending more time in the van than the parkI don't know the specifics of that road but it seems unlikely. It is still access all areas. Just perhaps by a different route.
If you are on one side of the gate and you want to get to the other side of the gate, you can still get there. But you mustn't go through the gate. You have to take a longer, more circuitous route. If you go through the gate in a vehicle, you will get snapped by the ANPR and be sent a fine.I dont get it, why do they need anpr, fines for non compliance etc if it’s access all areas. I’m asking because a woman I know walks dogs for a living and she told me it’s caused much grief because she is picking up dogs from the oval triangle and the pick ups are taking longer than the walks
Residents too ?If you are on one side of the gate and you want to get to the other side of the gate, you can still get there. But you mustn't go through the gate. You have to take a longer, more circuitous route. If you go through the gate in a vehicle, you will get snapped by the ANPR and be sent a fine.
It applies to everyone and everything except emergency access, buses and non-motorised vehicles like bikes.Residents too ?
how does this work with car club rentals ?
what about electrics which are theoretically cleaner than petrol, thought it was about emissions ?
Well, here's an interesting use case that I'm sure we can all have an argument about.I’m asking because a woman I know walks dogs for a living and she told me it’s caused much grief because she is picking up/dropping off dogs in the oval triangle and the dogs are spending more time in the van than the park
yes I understand the bit about electric vehicles, and I think they are more dangerous in some ways....silent running, problematic for the hard of hearing,excitable little kids on bikes and on foot, cyclists wearing headphones for example.It applies to everyone and everything except emergency access, buses and non-motorised vehicles like bikes. It's not just about emissions (and electric vehicles don't fully solve that problem anyway).
think you are misunstanding my post, not for an argument I’m here to learn what this scheme entails, I was speaking to the dog walker in question and asked how it worked for her as she lives on the edge of the zone. Today I have been speaking to other people, I am being told about people going for routine hospital appointments in ambulances taking a lot longer to get there and back. And I am also hearing that there is another group who are exempt from the rules, namely people who are part of the residents associations consulted who are lucky enough to have off street parking who can get a free pass permit, is this something you can deny or confirm, it seems quite unfair, surely misinformation .Well, here's an interesting use case that I'm sure we can all have an argument about.
yes I understand the bit about electric vehicles, and I think they are more dangerous in some ways....silent running, problematic for the hard of hearing,excitable little kids on bikes and on foot, cyclists wearing headphones for example.
think you are misunstanding my post, not for an argument I’m here to learn what this scheme entails, I was speaking to the dog walker in question and asked how it worked for her as she lives on the edge of the zone. Today I have been speaking to other people, I am being told about people going for routine hospital appointments in ambulances taking a lot longer to get there and back. And I am also hearing that there is another group who are exempt from the rules, namely people who are part of the residents associations consulted who are lucky enough to have off street parking who can get a free pass permit, is this something you can deny or confirm, it seems quite unfair, surely misinformation .
Whereas on Nextdoor, not sure if anyone uses that (you have to use your real name which might put people off), people are going bananas about the imposition. I believe they even got a zoom chat with Helen Hayes last night. Network rail depot on Shakespeare not happy nor are non emergency nhs workers. Be interesting to see how it all pans out but now they are in place (albeit with a lack of cameras), you’ve got to give it time.