Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists

[alex_]

Oh what a surprise!! They're also against cycle lanes & parking controls...

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Are they actually local residents ?

 

[edcraw]

Feel someone should tell whoever’s behind this website how to write a headline.

Blocked-off roads: THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN – Anger at new cycleways between Brockwell park and Gipsy Hill: Cyclists will be able to turn left and right from Rosendale Road into Thurlow Park Road. Northbound vehicles will be banned from turning r

“How do you get out of Rosendale Road then?” asks one resident Plans to install a cycleway from Brockwell park to Gipsy Hill are causing major anger on social media. Proposals include b…

newsfromcrystalpalace.wordpress.com

 

[editor]

According to an anti LTN commentator on Buzz, the slow speed of buses in London is entirely down to LTNs.

She hasn't managed to produce any proof for this claim, but it must be true because LTNs.

Local event celebrates the use of cargo bikes for the school run

Have you noticed a new type of bike whooshing past? It may have a couple of kids tucked in a bucket at the front, or holding on at the back? Maybe a pet dog or a pile of flat packed flowers? If so,…

www.brixtonbuzz.com

 

[thebackrow]

there doesn't seem any correlation between boroughs that have put in a lot of LTNs and cycleways and those that have done nothing. the biggest falls are definitely in boroughs that have done next to nothing.

I reckon bigger cars is probably the main issues if seeing slower speeds without increase in traffic or other changes. And measures to make the place safer for pedestrians will have an impact as well - more crossings and longer crossing times are going to slow average trips times a bit. And 20mph will have had some impact.

 

[teuchter]

If an average bus speed of say 10mph drops by 8% that means it becomes 9.2mph.
A 4 mile (eg Brixton to central London) bus journey at 10mph would take 24 minutes and a 4 mile bus journey at 9.2mph would take 26 minutes.
Just to keep things in proportion - regardless of the cause.

 

[edcraw]

According to an anti LTN commentator on Buzz, the slow speed of buses in London is entirely down to LTNs.

She hasn't managed to produce any proof for this claim, but it must be true because LTNs.

Local event celebrates the use of cargo bikes for the school run

Have you noticed a new type of bike whooshing past? It may have a couple of kids tucked in a bucket at the front, or holding on at the back? Maybe a pet dog or a pile of flat packed flowers? If so,…

www.brixtonbuzz.com

It was shared in the Lambeth wide anti-LTN WhatsApp group. They're also claiming Fenstanton & Holy Trinity primary schools closing down is because of the Tulse Hill LTN!!

 

[editor]

It was shared in the Lambeth wide anti-LTN WhatsApp group. They're also claiming Fenstanton & Holy Trinity primary schools closing down is because of the Tulse Hill LTN!!

Hey, how do you think Trump got in?

Fucking LTNs.

 

[snowy_again]

According to an anti LTN commentator on Buzz, the slow speed of buses in London is entirely down to LTNs.

She hasn't managed to produce any proof for this claim, but it must be true because LTNs.

Local event celebrates the use of cargo bikes for the school run

Have you noticed a new type of bike whooshing past? It may have a couple of kids tucked in a bucket at the front, or holding on at the back? Maybe a pet dog or a pile of flat packed flowers? If so,…

www.brixtonbuzz.com

That's ShimanoSteve of onelambeth etc

 

[edcraw]

That's ShimanoSteve of onelambeth etc

Sheila?

 

[thebackrow]

According to an anti LTN commentator on Buzz, the slow speed of buses in London is entirely down to LTNs.

She hasn't managed to produce any proof for this claim, but it must be true because LTNs.

Local event celebrates the use of cargo bikes for the school run

Have you noticed a new type of bike whooshing past? It may have a couple of kids tucked in a bucket at the front, or holding on at the back? Maybe a pet dog or a pile of flat packed flowers? If so,…

www.brixtonbuzz.com

The tool on this site lets you look at performance of individual routes. The ones I’ve looked at which use a load of LTN boundary roads seem to be improved since the LTNs went in.

London's slowest buses: which ones are they?

London buses are the slowest they’ve been in at least ten years, with recent average speeds of just 9 mph, according to analysis of TfL data.

www.selondoner.co.uk

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[editor]

The tool on this site lets you look at performance of individual routes. The ones I’ve looked at which use a load of LTN boundary roads seem to be improved since the LTNs went in.
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What site is this please?

 

[thebackrow]

post edited to add link

 

[thebackrow]

The problem with this approach is that the park or fine income simply replaces historic spending, rather than being incremental to it. But in that way, it does fund other services which cannot raise their own income instead of going where it was intended.

Yes, it may well just substitute for previous spending and not be incremental but it doesn't feel like thats completely the case in Lambeth as their transport and kerbside work seems greater than other boroughs - they're self funding stuff while other boroughs remain reliant on TfL. Anything that is a substitute frees up more money for other services - which is exactly what Nagapie seemed to be asking for.

Traffic Management Act 2004: statutory guidance for local authorities outside London on civil enforcement of bus lane and moving traffic contraventions

www.gov.uk

 

[thebackrow]

Residents are reporting back that seating has been placed to face the shops and beds left unplanted with signs to grow whatever you want, which was not in the original plans. The general consensus is left looking unfinished.

The projected costs for this project are coming to us as one million. I hope this is for other areas too!

Personally for a million I would rather see clean streets and less cutting of services to vulnerable families. To me Lambeth's priorities seem crazy.

Is there not a pedestrianised area? I haven't followed the plans but assumed that they were making a little pedestrianised shopping area.
Which is why the benches facing the shops seemed strange to me.

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Who are these un-named residents? where are they commenting? Amongst whom are these views a 'consensus'? What makes you think their views are representative of of locals (as you don't seem to live there?)

The plans are here: Tulse Hill Low Traffic Neighbourhood. (I googled for "Elm Park LTN plans" - perhaps you should have done that before commenting on a scheme you seem to have some ill informed third hand information about)

It looks unfinished because it IS unfinished - like every other scheme theres a gap between the build contractors and it being planted. and it probably needs to be planted at the right time of year. I'm not a gardener - do you plant stuff at the start of winter or in spring?

Despite being repeated vandalised (the trees were broken off twice, it was driven over, plants were stolen) and all the naysaying of the usual suspects, Shakespeare Road looked wonderful over the summer -

 

[teuchter]

Even without any planting being finished ... often worth putting before and after next to each other for comparison. I know that bit of street well because I lived round the corner for at least 5 years. Looks like a big improvement to me.

 

[nagapie]

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Who are these un-named residents? where are they commenting? Amongst whom are these views a 'consensus'? What makes you think their views are representative of of locals (as you don't seem to live there?)

The plans are here: Tulse Hill Low Traffic Neighbourhood. (I googled for "Elm Park LTN plans" - perhaps you should have done that before commenting on a scheme you seem to have some ill informed third hand information about)

It looks unfinished because it IS unfinished - like every other scheme theres a gap between the build contractors and it being planted. and it probably needs to be planted at the right time of year. I'm not a gardener - do you plant stuff at the start of winter or in spring?

Despite being repeated vandalised (the trees were broken off twice, it was driven over, plants were stolen) and all the naysaying of the usual suspects, Shakespeare Road looked wonderful over the summer -
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I live nearby and am part of a local group chat that includes a few roads including Elm Park, their residents commented. I did say it was what I had heard.

Yes maybe I should have been more informed but I was happy to have these queries put right. I do think it looks nice, or will once it's finished. I actually thought the point was to make it nicer to pedestrianise it, which would have been better imo.

My issues lie with Lambeth spending and upkeep. Now people have said this is not coming out of social care budgets, which are still experiencing ongoing and savage cuts, I have no worry about Lambeth misspending, a phenomenon not unknown at all.

So what's your issue, I should have been more informed? Well isn't part of the message board's remit to clarify and correct information.

 

[edcraw]

I live nearby and am part of a local group chat that includes a few roads including Elm Park, their residents commented. I did say it was what I had heard.

Yes maybe I should have been more informed but I was happy to have these queries put right. I do think it looks nice, or will once it's finished. I actually thought the point was to make it nicer to pedestrianise it, which would have been better imo.

My issues lie with Lambeth spending and upkeep. Now people have said this is not coming out of social care budgets, which are still experiencing ongoing and savage cuts, I have no worry about Lambeth misspending, a phenomenon not unknown at all.

So what's your issue, I should have been more informed? Well isn't part of the message board's remit to clarify and correct information.

Fair enough - maybe you can go back and correct the people who misinformed you.

 

[nagapie]

Fair enough - maybe you can go back and correct the people who misinformed you.

I can.

 

[nagapie]

Fair enough - maybe you can go back and correct the people who misinformed you.

Tbh they didn't misinform as such, they had the figures for the work and no information about where the money came from. So while I can set them right, that was a query we all had.
I don't know why they cared about the chairs facing in if it's not pedestrianised, that's probably just one or two people being particular.

 

[thebackrow]

The rest of the temporary planter filters in Tulse Hill and Streatham Hill being properly done.

Love Lambeth

Lambeth Council is making permanent improvements to make Tulse Hill a safer, healthier and more sustainable neighbourhood for all, especially local children, the vulnerable and the elderly.

love.lambeth.gov.uk

Love Lambeth

Lambeth Council is implementing permanent upgrades to the Streatham Hill Low Traffic Neighbourhood.

love.lambeth.gov.uk