and way more expensive than Uber
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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and way more expensive than Uber
To be fair, their fares are set by TFL as well as mandating lots of other rules, such as the vehicles that can be used so it’s an expensive business whereas Uber does not but leaving aside the driver’s politics, I’d rather ( not that I do very much) get a black cab than an Uber
TfL set a maximum price.
Gramsci
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They are moving to electric.
I didn't say "we" should design cities around what business want.
Gramsci
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That is because Uber drivers ( I know a few) have to work long hours to make decent money.
Gramsci
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Another thing. I keep getting told that LTNs only add a few minutes driving to car drivers who need to access an address in an LTN. I take it from that that LTNs aren't about stopping Black Cabs//Uber cabs going about their business.
Or did get I that wrong?
Given that the idea is that accessing an address in an LTN is possible I would like to see evidence that its really harming the cab trade. It could be that the cab trade should wait to see how the LTNs go and there fears are groundless.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If a decrease in car ownership can be achieved then that ought to be good news for cab drivers.
Uber are largely about undermining public transport (and its revenue stream) through a loss-leader long game, whereas black cabs at least in theory should be part of an overall public transport system regulated by tfl. I'd not mind too much if uber were given the boot from london.
Uber are largely about undermining public transport (and its revenue stream) through a loss-leader long game, whereas black cabs at least in theory should be part of an overall public transport system regulated by tfl. I'd not mind too much if uber were given the boot from london.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It's giving people an alternative to cars, that's why they don't like it, they're been really against other things like cycle superhighways also.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I guess cabbies are going to have a problem with anything that appears like it impedes their freedom to move around the roads, and maybe at a personal (rather than business) level they are likely to be "car" people - but I think Gramsci is right that they shouldn't necessarily fear the changes that LTNs aim to bring about. In general, a lower level of car ownership and private car use ought to mean more, rather than less business for them. There will always be journeys that people don't want to tackle by bus/train/bike/foot - for those journeys, the choice comes down to use of a private car (if available...and could include spot rental like zipcar) or a taxi. Isn't private car ownership and use effectively in direct competition with the taxi business? I wonder if a well targeted campaign could seek to persuade them of this and get them on side.
Loose meat
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It's an indusrtry in semi-managed decline. How can it not be when what you take 5 years or so to study is availble on Google Maps, with route options and traffic congestion - in real time. I think TfL and the Mayor will let the market and technology have its way while doing what they can in terms of EV.
The next nail in the coffin would seem to be Crossrail - from all Heathrow terminals right across central London and into Essex. 200metre proper trains every few minutes, fully accessible stations.
I still sometimes - albeit very rarely - see a 'knowledge boy' and wonder if they're super-optimistic or counter-intuitive.
The next nail in the coffin would seem to be Crossrail - from all Heathrow terminals right across central London and into Essex. 200metre proper trains every few minutes, fully accessible stations.
I still sometimes - albeit very rarely - see a 'knowledge boy' and wonder if they're super-optimistic or counter-intuitive.
Loose meat
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The Telegraph chimes in:
Who knew!
www.telegraph.co.uk
"Nicholas Lyes, RAC’s head of roads policy, said: "While low traffic neighbourhoods are well intentioned, the speed of implementation and lack of local consultation has meant residents were not informed of changes and weren’t able to advise local authorities of any unintended consequences those particular schemes might bring.
“The irony is that schemes that were originally designed to reduce traffic might end up increasing congestion if badly thought out. The real litmus test will come when some form of morning rush hour returns, which could be as early as this coming week when schools fully reopen."
“The irony is that schemes that were originally designed to reduce traffic might end up increasing congestion if badly thought out. The real litmus test will come when some form of morning rush hour returns, which could be as early as this coming week when schools fully reopen."
Who knew!
Anger over green road closures threatens to boil over with return to school traffic
Motoring organisations fear traffic congestion could spiral out of control this week as parents choose to drive their children to school
www.telegraph.co.uk
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Yes the school run. And how will that fare on the number 3 bus? I've noticed mores buses lately sailing past bus stops waving their BUS FULL signs - and school hasn't yet started.The Telegraph chimes in:
"Nicholas Lyes, RAC’s head of roads policy, said: "While low traffic neighbourhoods are well intentioned, the speed of implementation and lack of local consultation has meant residents were not informed of changes and weren’t able to advise local authorities of any unintended consequences those particular schemes might bring.
“The irony is that schemes that were originally designed to reduce traffic might end up increasing congestion if badly thought out. The real litmus test will come when some form of morning rush hour returns, which could be as early as this coming week when schools fully reopen."
Who knew!
Anger over green road closures threatens to boil over with return to school traffic
Motoring organisations fear traffic congestion could spiral out of control this week as parents choose to drive their children to school
Pre Covid I was dead against the school run in principle. Now I guess they are simply moving about in their family Covid free BUBBLE - with full government backing.
they are moving to plugin hybrid, which unless you charge them are just very very heavy regular cars.
Right wing paper who despise people losing their freedom to do whatever they like and a pro-car organisation are anti LTN, wow who’d thought of that.The Telegraph chimes in:
"Nicholas Lyes, RAC’s head of roads policy, said: "While low traffic neighbourhoods are well intentioned, the speed of implementation and lack of local consultation has meant residents were not informed of changes and weren’t able to advise local authorities of any unintended consequences those particular schemes might bring.
“The irony is that schemes that were originally designed to reduce traffic might end up increasing congestion if badly thought out. The real litmus test will come when some form of morning rush hour returns, which could be as early as this coming week when schools fully reopen."
Who knew!
Anger over green road closures threatens to boil over with return to school traffic
Motoring organisations fear traffic congestion could spiral out of control this week as parents choose to drive their children to school
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
I quoted The RAC?
Telegraph have also had a leader comment against it
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
I'm sure they have a lot of leaders. It's a newspaper.
What has that to do with anything you quoted in my post from, you know, the RAC organisation?
You see, the point was it was a quote from The RAC. The Royal Automobile Club
What has that to do with anything you quoted in my post from, you know, the RAC organisation?
You see, the point was it was a quote from The RAC. The Royal Automobile Club
editor
hiraethified
RAC in pro-motorist opinion shocker!
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
Looks factual to me.
Gramsci
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I thought they were moving to all electric. With small petrol engine to top up battery if no charging points are near.
So not a hybrid.
So you don’t think I pro car organisation such as the RAC could have a skewed opinion on an anti car journey scheme?
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
The Telegraph chimes in:
"Nicholas Lyes, RAC’s head of roads policy, said: "While low traffic neighbourhoods are well intentioned, the speed of implementation and lack of local consultation has meant residents were not informed of changes and weren’t able to advise local authorities of any unintended consequences those particular schemes might bring.
“The irony is that schemes that were originally designed to reduce traffic might end up increasing congestion if badly thought out. The real litmus test will come when some form of morning rush hour returns, which could be as early as this coming week when schools fully reopen."
Who knew!
Anger over green road closures threatens to boil over with return to school traffic
Motoring organisations fear traffic congestion could spiral out of control this week as parents choose to drive their children to school
He's wrong though, the test will be in a few months time to see if these schemes have had any effect, you would expect more congestion to start with. Traffic is not going to flow as freely, that's the point..
snowy_again
Slush
I’ve just realised that failed UKIPPER David Kurten spoke at the town hall event.
He’s an anti vaxx / anti mask, anti immigrant, anti LGBTQ, culture war conspiraloon isn’t he?
He’s an anti vaxx / anti mask, anti immigrant, anti LGBTQ, culture war conspiraloon isn’t he?
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
He's been to three universities apparently. What does that say about University education?
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Although Uber's technology seems a superior way to match cabs to people than either black cabs (circling empty and flagged down) or old school mini-cabs (sent from a local office but almost certain to do a return trip back to the office empty).
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
It seems even we have some things in common.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
LEVC TX review: London's new electric taxi driven
We drive London's new, electric black cab
www.carmagazine.co.uk
[under the bonnet you'll find] a 1.5-litre Volvo petrol engine – but it doesn’t deliver any power to the rear wheels. Instead, it’s used solely to top up the car’s batteries. This important detail makes the TX a range-extending EV rather than a hybrid. LEVC says the TX is good for 377 miles between top ups, though only 80 of those miles would be using batteries alone.
Rough figures put the old taxi at around 18-22 mpg, and the new one at 35 mpg
That's pretty poor fuel consumption for new and truly terrible for old.
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