Rushy
basically a scrotum
They don't deliver the little tealights piled up by the tills. And I like meatballs. Although I'm wavering since they stopped stocking salty liquorice fish.
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
You can get to the Croydon Ikea on the tram. Heavy stuff you can give them to deliver later. You can take the tealights with you. You can have some meatballs and get the tram home again. Once you get home, you can put the tealights into the box that most people have at the back of a cupboard somewhere, which contains hundreds of unused tealights that haven't been unpacked since the last time they moved house.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
You can never have too many tealights. Unless you are empty inside.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
You're seriously thinking of driving from. Brixton to IKEA in Croydon to buy some tealights and meatballs?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Where do you go for your meatballs?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This is the official Ikea meatballs recipe so you can make them at home
And, of course, it comes with the brand's classic, flat pack instructions.
Ikea recipe for meatballs. If I was eating meat I would try this. Does not look to difficult.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
I don't eat meat, but even if I did I wouldn't put myself through the misery of an Ikea trip to get them! 
Manter
Lunch Mob
It will go down when people decide jumping in their cars to do short journeys isn’t necessary or fun
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I don't eat meat, but even if I did I wouldn't put myself through the misery of an Ikea trip to get them!
Exciting news!! Ikea launched their plant based balls exactly yesterday. See you there!!
IKEA is launching vegan meatballs that 'look and taste like meat' in Europe
Realistic vegan meatballs that don't compromise on the "familiar taste and texture of Ikea meatballs" are launching at IKEA stores in Europe this August.
www.veganfoodandliving.com
editor
hiraethified
I suspect that will be a long time coming.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Less than 3 months in most cities that try this, according to a US article I was reading yesterday- May take longer because of the pandemic, though
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Exciting news!! Ikea launched their plant based balls exactly yesterday. See you there!!
IKEA is launching vegan meatballs that 'look and taste like meat' in Europe
Realistic vegan meatballs that don't compromise on the "familiar taste and texture of Ikea meatballs" are launching at IKEA stores in Europe this August.
After trying both in the canteen last time we were there we decided their existing vegetarian meatballs were nicer than the meat ones in any case.
It's less than 7 miles to Ikea croydon and you're buying stuff that would be easily carried in a small pannier or rucksack. Google says if you leave now it will take you 31 minutes in the car and 36 minutes by bike. it's the very definition of a cycle-able trip.
I don't cycle south that often and the main road to Ikea can be a bit wild (although a lot of it is bus lane). Google offers a route that's still only 45 minutes that goes through Tooting Common, Figges Marsh and across Mitcham Common that might be pleasant. cycle.travel journey planner has a 49 minute route that seems to run entirely along backstreet cycle routes (though unless they're through low traffic neighbourhoods they're often unpleasant due to rat running).
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
Can you link the article? I need ammunition to try to have reasonable conversations about facts with the rage-driving tory acolytes on Nextdoor.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Er, it was on twitter! Impossible to search and nada in my web history.... It may have been NYT. Let me see what I can find
Manter
Lunch Mob
It wasn’t this, but this had some really interesting stuff in it (follow links to flow)
editor
hiraethified
I'm always wary of commercially driven 'community' apps and websites.
Same here, I always thought urban had angry people (no offence meant) but stick a LTN in and Nextdoor is full of enraged people. Still mostly lost cats though
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There's a fair bit of info here
Evaporating traffic? Impact of low-traffic neighbourhoods on main roads
By Emma Griffin, vice-chair, London Living Streets Low-traffic neighbourhoods can be life-changing for the residents who live in them. Since the neighbourhood improvements in Walthamstow Village in…
londonlivingstreets.com
You can also look up the various reports on what happened in Ghent.
There are various links throughout this thread if you have the energy to go through it.
Most of these things seem to see reasonably consistent results: traffic on a load of streets (inside and outside of the LTN) goes down a lot, and it goes up a bit on certain main roads bordering the LTN. Usually it doesn't go up as much as is feared/assumed, and usually main roads can absorb a bit extra without the effects being dramatic. It seems that the increase in measured air pollution tends to be a lower % increase than the measured increase in traffic volume.
Importantly, the volume of traffic throughout the area sees a substantial net decline.
None of this answers your specific question about the timescale on which the initial (and not unexpected) congestion declines to its "settled" level. My understanding is that it's usually on a weeks/months sort of scale rather than longer.
snowy_again
Slush
Massive comres dataset on perceptions of road, traffic and infrastructure changes post covid
https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wp...onavirus-Transport-Survey_Final-tables_v2.pdf
And a table showing a majority supporting changes to road use to increase pedestrian and cycling
https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wp...onavirus-Transport-Survey_Final-tables_v2.pdf
And a table showing a majority supporting changes to road use to increase pedestrian and cycling
Aristocrat
Stop me b4 I do it again
snowy_again
Slush
editor
hiraethified
I wish Coldharbour Lane looked like that all the time. But it doesn't.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
Without reading all 42 pages of this thread, can anyone tell me whether I can (without getting filmed and fined) still go up Railton Road and park in the motorbike bay at the top end of Chaucer Road to go shopping? Does that count as access? Or if I'm visiting someone in the closed area, does that count as access?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
You can go anywhere in the zone. Just don't go through the gates. If you approach Chaucer from Dulwich Road you won't even see the gates.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
Ah. Where are the gates?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Wow. No cyclists and barely any pedestrians either. Truly 28 Days Later.
Traffic is totally unpredictable at the moment. Some weekdays it is utterly rammed and others it is blissfully quiet all day - today seemed pretty quiet.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
Right. So as long as I don't go up Hurst St like us ratrunners usually do (did) but one of the next ones it's fine. I cycled up there and back today and it was generally a lot quieter except for sudden unexpected homicidal racing drivers now and then. I'm not sure it was safer...
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