The Oval report shows decreased response times for inside the Oval LTN and it’s boundary roads. What other lies are the One groups and the right wing media constantly pushing for their pro-car agenda?
The Oval report shows decreased response times for inside the Oval LTN and it’s boundary roads. What other lies are the One groups and the right wing media constantly pushing for their pro-car agenda?
I love charts with no dates and no explanations, Really adds credibility
I love charts with no dates and no explanations, Really adds credibility
full methodology is in the actual report which is linked to from that twitter account: https://beta.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2021-09/Oval to Stockwell Stage 2 Monitoring Report_0.pdf
for the fire service, the monitoring period was
• The London Fire Brigade responded to 1637 emergency incidents in Lambeth during our monitoring period October 2020- May 2021, where we could identify the exact location and the response times.
• We compared the monitoring period data with a baseline collected between the period of March 2019 to February 2020.
this is on page 32 of the report.
You're right. It is. Pre-pandemic vs post pandemic
"It is important to recognize other factors that could have led to the reduction in average response times such as traffic levels due to COVID-19"
Yeah, the traffic volume data is normalised by comparing traffic volume changes post-pandemic in areas without LTN treatments in order to isolate the effect of the LTN but the fire response times isn't.
"We want data"
"Noooo, not that sort"
You'll get that data in time anyway.I think a chickens are being counted too soon. a good comparison would be from now.
I love the complete faith of the antis - they believe pollution has increased, congestion is terrible & emergency services are delayed despite any evidence and lots that argue against. Keep the faith! The divine right of drivers!
Well it's not like the data is poiting to everything being good.
Lambeths latest pollution report shows only a 7% drop in pollution on Brixton road....during a pandemic.
TFL SCOOT data, which has been monitoring for years and gives a true baseline, shows congestion is up massively and lambeth chose not to use this data in any of their reports.
There has been a 300% increase in incidents of crews being delayed by 'traffic calming measures' in 2020 compared to 2019. Not averages which are had ot pin down because ambulances could come from anywhere AND we have the pandemic.
You cant claim one side is being closed minded and then be close minded yourself.
Brilliant!
Thanks!
I mean you shouldn't just accept any stats without being critical of them.
The pollution stat is meaningless without a comparison to similar roads which haven't been affected by LTN treatments. I also don't know what dates that 7% drop is measured between. Who knows if 7% is a good or bad drop, if there's been general fall in traffic over the same time period?
There might be good reasons for excluding the SCOOT data but 100% politicians will look for stats that make them look good. That said, it seems to me that statistically speaking it's best to have the same monitoring methodologies for all roads within the LTN area and the SCOOT data will presumably only cover TfL managed roads so using it makes figures which aren't properly comparable with roads that aren't TfL roads. I'm certainly no expert on this though.
Ambulance services generally support LTNs and that 300% figure, you need to look at the detail of that. It might be 1 to 3, and those might have been early on when drivers forget about the changes. Or it might be that they are all around one LTN filter that can be changed to an ANPR controlled filter to remove the issue. Really response times are the best way to look at this, but you need to make at least some attempt to normalise them to control for general background changes in traffic levels - I don't know how possible this is with fire service response times, and it seems the other services are not monitored so closely.
No matter how you try to do this, it's all complicated hugely by the ongoing changes of the pandemic/post-pandemic period. Even the most honest statistical methods are going to have flaws. You need to acknowledge those flaws and take the best evidence available.
For me, in terms of the oval report, that's the traffic drops, which are normalised against other areas, and consistent in their data collection methodology.
I don't think even Lambeth knows, or they are just trying to put out happy stats for the consultation
One one hand they say traffic is up 10% on the boundary rds, then they are saying oh look its 2% down actually
I love this idea that because Scoot gives a slightly different picture that must be right and everything else wrong.Well it's not like the data is poiting to everything being good.
Lambeths latest pollution report shows only a 7% drop in pollution on Brixton road....during a pandemic.
TFL SCOOT data, which has been monitoring for years and gives a true baseline, shows congestion is up massively and lambeth chose not to use this data in any of their reports.
There has been a 300% increase in incidents of crews being delayed by 'traffic calming measures' in 2020 compared to 2019. Not averages which are had ot pin down because ambulances could come from anywhere AND we have the pandemic.
You cant claim one side is being closed minded and then be close minded yourself.
chowce5382 - any idea why your organisation is against street parties? This was Claverdale Rd yesterday and had absolutely nothing to do with the LTN.
As I’ve said again and again Ed, this is nothing do with me. If you called me a Blairite, I’d be very happy and comfortable with that.