beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Oh no, there might be nice things faster than usual, how terrible.
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I'm not a regular West End shopper by any means but I've been on Regent Street many times when the pavements were unpleasantly overcrowded. Yes, area around tube entrances even worse (partly because the entrances narrow the pavement but also because they close the barriers frequently when the station is overcrowded. Used to happen almost nightly when I was working there.
But that specifically wasn't the question I asked. It's one of London's 'premier' shopping destinations - a place where huge numbers of people visit on foot. Do you think it is better for pedestrians with 2 lanes of traffic rather than 4?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Ive answered your question.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Why's that a problem? If anything, the period of reduced traffic and footfall is the ideal time to get disruptive work done.
I sort-of understand your objection to consultation being fast-tracked but for projects that are already decided, what's the issue with them happening faster than originally planned (if that's even what's happening)?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Do you work or live in that area?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
You said you didn't think it was 'necessary'. You didn't comment on whether it would make things better for pedestrians.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Because they are not already decided.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I've given full answer.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
BTW I cycle on that road every day. Do you?
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
You are truly hilarious.
That is in no way relevant to the question that was asked.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
No. When I worked in central London I walked on it most days though.
But is it that your objection is that it makes things worse for cyclists?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Im lost here. When did I say it would make things worse for cyclists?
To answer your question impact on cyclists is neutral at this time.
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Gramsci
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Sorry. I gave you a full answer to your question.
Ive recently left a Whats App group as it became dominated by hard line anti LTN people.
I see you as mirror image of some anti LTN people. Dismissive of anyone who wants a comprimise or proper consultation.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
No, but I live in a city that is also having lots of LTN’s introduced, with the same sort of moaning idiots.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The kind of abuse I see on both sides of this debate about LTNs. Does not help whether its done by pro or anti LTN people.
I’m quite happy to discuss a compromise but I’m met with deafening silence about what that might be. All I hear is rip them out.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
The regent street scheme, as currently implemented, is daft. The extra pavement is clogged up with planters so doesn't help pedestrian flow. I'd much rather that space was used for a segregated cycle lane. Good N-S routes through the city are sorely needed
snowy_again
Slush
But Regent Street has had things like car free / pedestrian only days for years. These plans aren’t new and if you’re Westminster you’re likely to be opportunistic and tap into Covid budgets to offset some of your planned expenditure.
Here’s an example: 'SUMMER STREETS' BY REGENT STREET
And as part of the cleaner air strategy https://heartoflondonbid.london/wp-...t-summer_streets_road_closure_letter_2018.pdf
Specifically on Regent Street - if they had already been doing it, had plans to do more of it, and were doing more of it, why do you have an issue with them doing it faster during lockdown?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I agree. That is why I regard both the supporters of "real" LTNs here and some of the rip them out Anti LTN as mirror images of each other.
Take the example of LJ. Not everyone was against traffic calming/ closing rat runs etc. The whole thing got out of hand and only one side could win. Council learnt no lessons from that and same thing is happening now.. This time I think the Council and its supporters are likely to win. The resentment will remain.
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Gramsci
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The press release that I quoted from and disappeared from here somehow shows why.
snowy_again
Slush
This one: Regent Street plans unveiled to deliver a greener, cleaner, safer and more accessible West End | The Crown Estate ?
Do you mean this line “Construction commenced on the new designs this week, following on from the measures put in place to widen pavements using temporary barriers.”
Do you mean this line “Construction commenced on the new designs this week, following on from the measures put in place to widen pavements using temporary barriers.”
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
No - it does not have the quote I used.
Gramsci
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Regent Street: greener, safer and more accessible | The Crown Estate
It sound like they are using an ETO to do this.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I actually think they possibly did learn something from the LJ experience and that might be why they might manage to 'win' this time, at least to some extent.
In LJ they basically crumpled at the first sign of opposition. There was no-one ready to argue back; they weren't prepared for it.
There seems to be some confused messaging in the Regent's Street proposals.
Permanently modifying the built environment to support social distancing is nonsensical - as long as we're still doing it, there will not be a significant number of people on the street anyway because the vast majority get there via public transport which is incompatible with social distancing. Have they forgotten that 95% of Londoners live outside Westminster?
Given that, the claim that there exists "limited space" for a segregated cycle route falls apart. The street is plenty wide enough as it is with the exception of a few busy periods around Christmas etc.
Permanently modifying the built environment to support social distancing is nonsensical - as long as we're still doing it, there will not be a significant number of people on the street anyway because the vast majority get there via public transport which is incompatible with social distancing. Have they forgotten that 95% of Londoners live outside Westminster?
Given that, the claim that there exists "limited space" for a segregated cycle route falls apart. The street is plenty wide enough as it is with the exception of a few busy periods around Christmas etc.
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