Brixton is a village and local businesses need to ensure they are engaged with the local community.

[Gramsci]

I have lived in Lambeth for 30 years Local businesses are reflected on our Board by Blackdread Music Store a founder member of Splash. As for our remit thanks for your views but your mistaken. Part of our core objectives is the promotion the local economy of Brixton and provide employment opportunities to local young people.

You seem to be suggesting that business have no local accountability other than the conduct of their business. If consumers and businesses can have debates about issues such as the environment or animal welfare I can see no reason why a debate about helping people is any way different and should be accorded similar priority. This is our 8th year and our view is that the benefits of Brixton Splash are evident for all to see.
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Hello Lee welcome to Urban.

I have also lived in Brixton since 81 so have seen a lot of changes.

How will the Brixton Splash reflect the increased diversity of Brixton? When I first came here there was a larger Afro Caribbean community. Over the years I have seen Eritreans, South Americans and North Africans set up shops here. Also many shops are run by Asian people who have been in Brixton a long time.

Will the music line up for Brixton Splash reflect this diversity? I listened to music my local Eritrean business plays in his shop and its great. That part of the world have great singers.

Also whilst I know this years Splash is celebrating Jamaica 50th year of independance not all of Brixtons Afro Carribean community are from ( or families originally from ) Jamaica. There are also long standing residents whose families come from , for example, Grenada and St Lucia.

I looked at the sponsorship on the BS website. It shows different levels of sponsorship but gives no indication of what they cost. Why is this?

I have chatted to a couple of local small businesses and your naming those who do not contribute has not gone down well. The ones I chatted to are not against BS. They think its fine to name those who have but naming and shaming those who dont they do not like.

Do you not think that this tactic is going to cause resentment towards BS in the long run?

Also the approach to possible sponsors is late in the day. One business I talked to said in another area of London where there is a one day festival meetings are held which local business groups can attend months before. The approach used is to consult and get support from local business and ask them what they would like to see the festival do on the day. Many of them do end up donating money or help in other ways. There is no naming and shaming.

I see Brixton as a community of communities. We sometimes get on sometimes disagree. That is how multiculturalism works in practise. I'm not perfect and I do not expect it from others. Multiculturalism works bottom up. It is the daily social interactions of ordinary people that make it work. Not politicians (sorry Lee). Most of the time it works by ordinary people just getting on with it.

I also see that central London is increasingly becoming no longer affordable. I take your point in your blog about rising rents for shops.. As Violent Panda has pointed out there is also the issue of housing being affordable. This is an issue that affects both white and black people. It is a class issue. Whilst we come from different backgrounds there are issues that can unite people.

 

[Lee Japser]

Thanks for all the responses all of which are gratefully received as for my comparison with George Osbourne that one made my day. We will be initiating this public debate later in the year and we hope those that have expressed a view will join us. In the meantime we hope to see in at Brixton Splash 2012.

 

[Lee Japser]

Hello Lee welcome to Urban.

I have also lived in Brixton since 81 so have seen a lot of changes.

How will the Brixton Splash reflect the increased diversity of Brixton? When I first came here there was a larger Afro Caribbean community. Over the years I have seen Eritreans, South Americans and North Africans set up shops here. Also many shops are run by Asian people who have been in Brixton a long time.

Will the music line up for Brixton Splash reflect this diversity? I listened to music my local Eritrean business plays in his shop and its great. That part of the world have great singers.

Also whilst I know this years Splash is celebrating Jamaica 50th year of independance not all of Brixtons Afro Carribean community are from ( or families originally from ) Jamaica. There are also long standing residents whose families come from , for example, Grenada and St Lucia.

I looked at the sponsorship on the BS website. It shows different levels of sponsorship but gives no indication of what they cost. Why is this?

I have chatted to a couple of local small businesses and your naming those who do not contribute has not gone down well. The ones I chatted to are not against BS. They think its fine to name those who have but naming and shaming those who dont they do not like.

Do you not think that this tactic is going to cause resentment towards BS in the long run?

Also the approach to possible sponsors is late in the day. One business I talked to said in another area of London where there is a one day festival meetings are held which local business groups can attend months before. The approach used is to consult and get support from local business and ask them what they would like to see the festival do on the day. Many of them do end up donating money or help in other ways. There is no naming and shaming.

I see Brixton as a community of communities. We sometimes get on sometimes disagree. That is how multiculturalism works in practise. I'm not perfect and I do not expect it from others. Multiculturalism works bottom up. It is the daily social interactions of ordinary people that make it work. Not politicians (sorry Lee). Most of the time it works by ordinary people just getting on with it.

I also see that central London is increasingly becoming no longer affordable. I take your point in your blog about rising rents for shops.. As Violent Panda has pointed out there is also the issue of housing being affordable. This is an issue that affects both white and black people. It is a class issue. Whilst we come from different backgrounds there are issues that can unite people.

Last year Brixton Splash broadness its cultural offer and in future years will extend further. We make no apologies for celebrating Jamaican links with Lambeth in this the 50th anniversary year. We take the point about late notice although we did deliver the packs some 4 weeks ago now so a total of 2 months before the event. I do not agree that this debate is an anyway damaging to Brixton Splash. I suggest you come along to the festival and or attend our planned public debates later in the year and see for yourself there is real concern among some communities about the nature of developments in central Brixton.

Our sponsorship details are contained in the pack we delivered we are happy to put the actual cost online next year.

If I was elected to public office your "politician" point would be correct. As for the class trumps race card we could be here all day.

Business are named and shamed where they fail to pay tax or use products that are unethically sourced or where animal welfare is compromised that is an accepted part of the consumer business debate. Why not on the issue of community engagement?

We are happy to offer consultation with businesses and did attempt to do that through the Brixton Business Forum in April unfortunately they simply failed to take up our offer to engage. Next year through our planned debates engagement this consultation will start much earlier.

 

[Lee Japser]

Sorry but not every business does have the time to take their focus away from their primary concerns, for example if their efforts are geared to particular times of year and these times 'clash' with your attempts to contact.

If I had to assess whether I had time to allocate to Splash, based solely on your website as the way you have marketed Splash, I would question why, for example, time hasn't been spent proofing it for content, consistency and typos.

It doesn't come across as well as it could do.

We focus on the core issues business engagement, the social issues of unemployment and poverty and how the economic development of Brixton can be inclusive. You choose to focus on a few typo's. We can amend typo's the core issues remain.

 

[Lee Japser]

I'm the editor of the site.
For various reasons - one of them being serious threats from racists in the past - I choose not to post under my real name, in much the same way as no one else on this site is compelled to do so.

Really? Sorry to hear that I know how that feels. Im sure we will meet in any event.

 

[Lee Japser]

Hi Lee,I've lived in Brixton for about forty years.I know the people,your personal reputation isn't too good.I'm prepared to listen to your newish idea's and I hope they are for the community.Having said that your management bollocks speak is nauseating .Don't try and speak for black people it's no more than the usual leadership bollocks.Come with a good idea and we'll follow it,until then don't be surprised if we can't tell the difference between you and Osbourne.

Im not sure what to make of this contribution! Thanks for listening and sorry if the language has alienated you. We will be presenting new ideas through public debate and consultation later in the year I hope you will come and join us.

 

[Lee Japser]

the management speak can get a little much.

we get it all the time working in training. companies get the contracts and them subcontract the training out to independept coledges but they don't know a fucking thing about education and it ends up being a speil of this management talk which has practically no relavance to reality.

i'm currently doing NEET training which contains very similar wording to this stuff about opportunities for young people. the truth of the matter is there just more kids on crap training schemes. the neet stuff is often much worse than the old jobcentre training. we used to do C&G vocational courses that really focuses on skills but now all the contracts are tainted with the stink of transferable skills which mean it's all about writing reports.

We are not a government agency and intend to find new ways to provide real opportunities to young people. This will form part of our public consultation and debate later in the year. Do come along...

 

[brucenbart]

Business are named and shamed where they fail to pay tax or use products that are unethically sourced or where animal welfare is compromised that is an accepted part of the consumer business debate. Why not on the issue of community engagement?

For one reason doing this only focuses on one event - Splash. How do you know that these businesses are not engaged in the community in other ways? How do you define community engagement? (surely its not just getting involved with Splash). The larger reason is that its not the place of a fantastic community festival to engage in calling out local businesses who have chosen not to support them. Celebrate the ones who have, demonstrate its value , make friends and hope they might be supporters in the future.

 

[OpalFruit]

Business are named and shamed where they fail to pay tax or use products that are unethically sourced or where animal welfare is compromised that is an accepted part of the consumer business debate. Why not on the issue of community engagement?

We are happy to offer consultation with businesses and did attempt to do that through the Brixton Business Forum in April unfortunately they simply failed to take up our offer to engage. Next year through our planned debates engagement this consultation will start much earlier.

It was an OFFER. Made on your terms and at your timescale. You need to do the consultation FIRST. Naming and shaming people who avoid statutory demands such as taxes is one thing, 'shaming' businesses - i.e attempting to give a local business a bad name, for failing to respond to your request for voluntary support is entirely another. I am local and have opportunities (which I use) to train and support local young people. It IS blackmail to say 'if you don't support our initiative we will give you negative publicity', and frankly as someone who listened positively to Ros Griffiths at various meetings in the past, this new stance by BS would put me off.

Also, please explain your former support of the Starlight Academy at Offley works? In receipt of ££££'s of public money they had no credible website or publicly advertised programme of work (until scandal suddenly resulted in a minimal pop-up site), and (black) youth particpants in a neighbouring (black-led) project were shocked to see so-called tutors sitting out on the stairs all day smoking weed, no particpants, and no sign of any meaningful activity as advertised at all. Sorry, maybe I have it wrong an in the end you did disassociate yourself from the project? I invoke race in that last para partly because criticism of the project was met with claims of race-based bias (I think by you, but maybe by others involved in the project), and also because I agree with you it is relevant. Racism remains. Black young men are the worst hit by the shrinkage of the training and employment chances under this government. Something needs doing - but because the need is so urgent and so important, I will put my organisation's efforts behind that which is cast iron. I WILL BS to succeed in this new manifestation, I really do. But I need a credible persuasion of integrity.

 

[Rushy]

We focus on the core issues business engagement, the social issues of unemployment and poverty and how the economic development of Brixton can be inclusive. You choose to focus on a few typo's. We can amend typo's the core issues remain.

It is one thing to have dreadful spelling and grammar on a discussion board. It is another thing to let it slip wholesale into promotional material - which is what PH clearly referred to - because it is the only material by with the recipient can judge you. You are trying to convince complete strangers to back your scheme (over numerous other schemes). You need to stand out from the crowd. To do that you need to come across as competent and in control. Bad spelling, grammar and clarity may not seem important to you but reflect badly on your scheme and suggest to the reader that it is disorganised, lacks attention to detail and is not run by people with appropriate skills and judgement.

If an accountant sent me a letter offering their services and proclaiming "Let us do you're business accounts for you" it would go straight in the bin because, although it is not a mathematical error, it suggests poor attention to detail and low standards. If something doesn't make immediate sense to me - it usually goes in the bin. If I submit a business plan, I go over every detail again and again to make sure it is correct, clear and concise because I know it is my one chance to make an impression. It is the way businesses work. They value competence and accuracy.

Your response is just more evidence that you want to communicate with businesses (business engagement) on your terms and your terms only. You think that because you have spoken everyone should stand up and listen because you are Lee Jasper. When they don't respond the way you want them to, rather than reflect on the reasons, you throw a hissy fit and threaten them. And then try to cover up your bullying by by calling it 'opening debate'.

 

[Lee Japser]

It was an OFFER. Made on your terms and at your timescale. You need to do the consultation FIRST. Naming and shaming people who avoid statutory demands such as taxes is one thing, 'shaming' businesses - i.e attempting to give a local business a bad name, for failing to respond to your request for voluntary support is entirely another. I am local and have opportunities (which I use) to train and support local young people. It IS blackmail to say 'if you don't support our initiative we will give you negative publicity', and frankly as someone who listened positively to Ros Griffiths at various meetings in the past, this new stance by BS would put me off.

Also, please explain your former support of the Starlight Academy at Offley works? In receipt of ££££'s of public money they had no credible website or publicly advertised programme of work (until scandal suddenly resulted in a minimal pop-up site), and (black) youth particpants in a neighbouring (black-led) project were shocked to see so-called tutors sitting out on the stairs all day smoking weed, no particpants, and no sign of any meaningful activity as advertised at all. Sorry, maybe I have it wrong an in the end you did disassociate yourself from the project? I invoke race in that last para partly because criticism of the project was met with claims of race-based bias (I think by you, but maybe by others involved in the project), and also because I agree with you it is relevant. Racism remains. Black young men are the worst hit by the shrinkage of the training and employment chances under this government. Something needs doing - but because the need is so urgent and so important, I will put my organisation's efforts behind that which is cast iron. I WILL BS to succeed in this new manifestation, I really do. But I need a credible persuasion of integrity.

No our offer was simply to attend at a time of their choosing, You seem intent on finding fault where there is none.

Im afraid you do 'have it all wrong' and further and falsely maligned first class black organisations like Starlight Music Academy (SMA) that have and continue to do fantastic work in the community. That why Boris Johnson allowed them to remain some three years after the racist media campaign conducted by The Standard which you seem to regard as fact.

The accountability of local business to local communities is all part of the 'big society' agenda. Consumers are increasing making informed choices about where and with whom they spend that money. We intend to spark this debate about the relationship between local businesses and consumers and the issue of social responsibility . You should come along and take part in our intended consultation on these issues.


In relation to other matters you raise. I have to say that even Boris did not believe the rubbish the media put out in relation to SMA other 12 other groups that were based at Offley Works. Boris Johnson's may be many things but he is not stupid. Even he recognised the value of all the work done by these groups so viciously and maliciously attacked.

So much so, in fact that he agreed to give all the groups, yes thats right all the groups, leave to remain rent free for three years. If business choose to work with other organisations other than Brixton Splash that is their prerogative. We would both applaud any publicly recognise any business that was doing something to address the gross marginalisation of young people whether with ourselves or the very many other local organisations working on this area.

 

[Lee Japser]

It is one thing to have dreadful spelling and grammar on a discussion board. It is another thing to let it slip wholesale into promotional material - which is what PH clearly referred to - because it is the only material by with the recipient can judge you. You are trying to convince complete strangers to back your scheme (over numerous other schemes). You need to stand out from the crowd. To do that you need to come across as competent and in control. Bad spelling, grammar and clarity may not seem important to you but reflect badly on your scheme and suggest to the reader that it is disorganised, lacks attention to detail and is not run by people with appropriate skills and judgement.

If an accountant sent me a letter offering their services and proclaiming "Let us do you're business accounts for you" it would go straight in the bin because, although it is not a mathematical error, it suggests poor attention to detail and low standards. If something doesn't make immediate sense to me - it usually goes in the bin. If I submit a business plan, I go over every detail again and again to make sure it is correct, clear and concise because I know it is my one chance to make an impression. It is the way businesses work. They value competence and accuracy.

Your response is just more evidence that you want to communicate with businesses (business engagement) on your terms and your terms only. You think that because you have spoken everyone should stand up and listen because you are Lee Jasper. When they don't respond the way you want them to, rather than reflect on the reasons, you throw a hissy fit and threaten them. And then try to cover up your bullying by by calling it 'opening debate'.

Well it is clear you are not convinced and you are entitled to you view. I take a different view to you on the issue of grammar which I consider to be a minor point and a silly diversion. There are many successful business owners in Brixton and throughout the country who neither read or write English. Our ' competence is demonstrated by 8 years of continual growth and a fantastic festival .

We simply wanted a response from business and it is illuminating that prior to the blog article we had little or no response from businesses and now we at least have your attention, front and centre. Unlike you I do not consider increasing consumer awareness of the buying public about the level of social and community engagement by business " bullying ".

Shoppers are intelligent enough to make their own choices and do so everyday armed with information from all sorts of consumer awareness campaigns. In the UK its a growth industry .

A public debate will take place later in the year and will present a further opportunity to debate these issues.

 

[Rushy]

I have lived in Lambeth for 30 years Local businesses are reflected on our Board by Blackdread Music Store a founder member of Splash. As for our remit thanks for your views but your mistaken. Part of our core objectives is the promotion the local economy of Brixton and provide employment opportunities to local young people.

Really? Your About the Event page reads:

Brixton Splash is a free community street festival led by the local community. The event is aimed at celebrating the area’s diversity, its progress through the years and the fusion of the numerous ethnic groups that now call Brixton home. It is a celebration of peaceful relations, vibrant living in Brixton and Brixton’s contribution to the wider London culture.

It goes on about celebrating Jamaica, multiculturalism and artistry and blah blah blah. Nothing about economy and nor employment opportunities for youth. Even the support /sponsor page says nothing.

The only mention of employment is that you are seeking unpaid volunteers to carry out stewarding duties.

You seem to be suggesting that business have no local accountability other than the conduct of their business. If consumers and businesses can have debates about issues such as the environment or animal welfare I can see no reason why a debate about helping people is any way different and should be accorded similar priority. This is our 8th year and our view is that the benefits of Brixton Splash are evident for all to see.

Really? So why can't you spell them out clearly? All your site mentions is "branding opportunities" in return for money. Suggestions for other types of support are left to the reader's imagination.

As the only large scale event in Brixton’s town centre, Brixton Splash offers a range of unique branding opportunities for potential sponsors. There are a range of packages available that are documented in the sponsorship pack downloadable below.​

Download sponsorship information pack​

The opportunities listed in the sponsorship pack are neither comprehensive or limiting, so if you have an idea or proposal for sponsoring the event, or would like more information please get in touch by emailing us on: info@brixtonsplash.org​

As with many others in the current climate Brixton Splash has been hit with lost funding and reduced sponsorship in 2011 compared to previous years, so the Board and events team are immensely proud that we have succeeded in bringing you Brixton’s only community-led street event again this year. We couldn’t do it without significant support from the following so our sincere THANKS goes to everyone involved.​

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I sorry you think my language is confrontational but I can assure that was not my intention

so withdraw it unconditionally in your blog

however that will not detract from our determination to explore the issues of corporate social responsibly and the role of large, medium and small businesses in facilitating community development in Brixton. Within that debate there will be room to accommodate all perspectives into a strategy that seeks to promote business involvement. Ultimately the issue of consumer choice is primary and seeking to raise awareness of the issues of business enragement and social responsibility will be aired and debated.

but before any debate has even started you have already started randomly "naming and shaming" businesses of which you have shown you have little understanding - e.g. referring to San Marino as a new business which does not support you or Splash - they have been here 20yrs!

I understand the demands of small business and those that we work with seem to find the time to communicate with us even where they are unable to engage. Its a simple as a call or a email.

I don't get the impression that you understand the last thing about business. Stop throwing hissy fits at the ones who choose not to follow you and show them what they are missing. If indeed they are missing out.

Your are entitled to your opinion on my suitability as chairman of Brixton Splash that does not chime with the huge local support for the event and the way in which my involvement has been positively welcomed by the local community.

You seem to be confusing local support for a big party with local support for you. I didn't even realise that you were involved until you started criticising businesses.

For your information and to further reinforce my point I am also vice chair of the Lambeth Police Consultative Group. So your surprise about my position indicates the extent to which you are uniformed about the local Brixton community. Thanks for you comments.

Not sure how you being on the Lambeth Police Consultative Group makes me uninformed but, jolly good. It seems that you value badges and titles over ability and experience. From the way you talk about local businesses I am extremely confident that I engage with my home 'town' and workplace more constructively than you do.

 

[Lee Japser]

Pedantic twadle

Really? Your About the Event page reads:

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It goes on about celebrating Jamaica, multiculturalism and artistry and blah blah blah. Nothing about economy and nor employment opportunities for youth. Even the support /sponsor page says nothing.

The only mention of employment is that you are seeking unpaid volunteers to carry out stewarding duties.



Really? So why can't you spell them out clearly? All your site mentions is "branding opportunities" in return for money. Suggestions for other types of support are left to the reader's imagination.

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so withdraw it unconditionally in your blog



but before any debate has even started you have already started randomly "naming and shaming" businesses of which you have shown you have little understanding - e.g. referring to San Marino as a new business which does not support you or Splash - they have been here 20yrs!



I don't get the impression that you understand the last thing about business. Stop throwing hissy fits at the ones who choose not to follow you and show them what they are missing. If indeed they are missing out.



You seem to be confusing local support for a big party with local support for you. I didn't even realise that you were involved until you started criticising businesses.

Not sure how you being on the Lambeth Police Consultative Group makes me uninformed but, jolly good. It seems that you value badges and titles over ability and experience. From the way you talk about local businesses I am extremely confident that I engage with my home 'town' and workplace more constructively than you do.

All information you ask is available and I have answered most of the points you make in responses to other posts. We have four small business owners on our board we understand small business. We are initiating a broad debate about community engagement and suggest you come to the some of the public meetings so you can better asses the level of public support for a real debate about these issues, Brixton Splash in general and me in particular. Send me your email I will be sure and invite you.

 

[Rushy]

We simply wanted a response from business and it is illuminating that prior to the blog article we had little or no response from businesses and now we at least have your attention, front and centre. Unlike you I do not consider increasing consumer awareness of the buying public about the level of social and community engagement by business " bullying ".

And the response was almost across the board disinterest in what you had to offer them. Sadly, rather than learn from this, you appear to have taken it as an affront to your ego and want to show them who "the big boss man" is.

You have my attention because of your clearly worded threats to others in my community. It is not positive attention. Your bullying approach has not had one jot of support here.

I suggest that you go away, take a long hard look at yourself, and start again.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I suggest that you go away, take a long hard look at yourself, and start again.

and spell your name correctly and use a spellchecker

 

[gabi]

Christ. I can't believe Brick Box get the level of shit when this kinda stuff is given a much easier ride.

As for who came up with this idea of Brixton Splash, it was undoubtedly Pat afaik, i was a regular in the albert back in those days. In fact i think the name itself came directly from a thread on urban iirc?

 

[Rushy]

Pedantic twadle

All information you ask is available and I have answered most of the points you make in responses to other posts. We have four small business owners on our board we understand small business. We are initiating a broad debate about community engagement and suggest you come to the some of the public meetings so you can better asses the level of public support for a real debate about these issues, Brixton Splash in general and me in particular. Send me your email I will be sure and invite you.

Where is this info and mission statement available and why should I or any business have to go looking for it if Splash can't be bothered to outline it clearly on your website?

You can invite me through this site. But really don't bother if you are going to start your witch hunt before the debate even begins.

 

[fortyplus]

Mr Jasper,
I wish you and Brixton Splash every success.
Here's what I suggest you do to avoid alienating small businesses like mine. (Note: I am an informed bystander; you don't know me or the name of my Brixton Village business, which I choose not to publicise on these boards because I think they're better for being kept clear of such commercialisation, and I have neither been approached by, nor agreed to sponsor Brixton Splash, but I do know the people behind many of the struggling small businesses you have already "named and shamed" in your Twitter feed).
Blog and tweet something like this:
"We have named several small local businesses who have chosen not to support Brixton Splash this year. This was not meant as a criticism, and we understand that small businesses have many competing demands on their resources. The businesses we have named are all great businesses and at the heart of the community. Of course, we'd still like them to show their support by sponsoring Brixton Splash and by mentoring young people through our programmes, but it's far from being the only way they can do so. Just by trading in the community, small businesses stimulate growth and opportunities, and we urge everyone to support local traders as much as possible - especially, but not only, those who sponsor the Splash."

 

[Lee Japser]

And the response was almost across the board disinterest in what you had to offer them. Sadly, rather than learn from this, you appear to have taken it as an affront to your ego and want to show them who "the big boss man" is.

You have my attention because of your clearly worded threats to others in my community. It is not positive attention. Your bullying approach has not had one jot of support here.

I suggest that you go away, take a long hard look at yourself, and start again.

Unfortunately discussion on U75 does necessarily reflect the views of Brixton. In relation to support I hate to disappoint you but you are wrong again and more business have indeed come on board. The debates will go ahead whether you choose to be part of them or not. Thanks for the suggestions and you have a nice day.

 

[Lee Japser]

Mr Jasper,
I wish you and Brixton Splash every success.
Here's what I suggest you do to avoid alienating small businesses like mine. (Note: I am an informed bystander; you don't know me or the name of my Brixton Village business, which I choose not to publicise on these boards because I think they're better for being kept clear of such commercialisation, and I have neither been approached by, nor agreed to sponsor Brixton Splash, but I do know the people behind many of the struggling small businesses you have already "named and shamed" in your Twitter feed).
Blog and tweet something like this:
"We have named several small local businesses who have chosen not to support Brixton Splash this year. This was not meant as a criticism, and we understand that small businesses have many competing demands on their resources. The businesses we have named are all great businesses and at the heart of the community. Of course, we'd still like them to show their support by sponsoring Brixton Splash and by mentoring young people through our programmes, but it's far from being the only way they can do so. Just by trading in the community, small businesses stimulate growth and opportunities, and we urge everyone to support local traders as much as possible - especially, but not only, those who sponsor the Splash."

Thanks for this we will give this some thought many thanks for taking the time to write this.

 

[el-ahrairah]

We are pushing for a debate on the issues . Play the ball not the man.

this is the point in the thread where i believe this is a good, but not olympic-grade troll.

nice work so far, Mr Japsar.

*now reads on*

 

[editor]

Just to reiterate: it is the real Lee Jasper posting here, even if he did manage to spell his own name wrong.

Mr Jasper - would you like me to edit your user name?

 

[Rushy]

Unfortunately discussion on U75 does necessarily reflect the views of Brixton. In relation to support I hate to disappoint you but you are wrong again and more business have indeed come on board. The debates will go ahead whether you choose to be part of them or not. Thanks for the suggestions and you have a nice day.

I have no problem with businesses coming on board with Splash.
My problem is that you are threatening those who choose not to (including those who were not even properly approached).
It is a shame that you don't understand the difference.

Anyway - I see that you liked Fortyplus' well written suggested summary of your position and, consequently, look forward to seeing the clarification on your rantblog.

I hope that you have a super day too, old chap.

 

[el-ahrairah]

Just to reiterate: it is the real Lee Jasper posting here, even if he did manage to spell his own name wrong.

Mr Jasper - would you like me to edit your user name?

Then the man is not only a bully, a self-appointed spokesman for the area who seems to know nothing about it, but he's also an idiot.

Why oh why does Brixton constantly attract people who want it to be something other than what it is, hipsters, politicians, trendy food-bloggers, middle-class blowhards and this horse-shit.

Piss off back to Clapham Japser, and let the community actually deal with its own issues without interference.

 

[Gramsci]

this is the point in the thread where i believe this is a good, but not olympic-grade troll.

nice work so far, Mr Japsar.

*now reads on*

I still have a slight feeling this is trolling.If it is its Grade A trolling. "Japser is remarkably good at replying on these boards for someone new. Hope it is not.

 

[marty21]

Just to reiterate: it is the real Lee Jasper posting here, even if he did manage to spell his own name wrong.

Mr Jasper - would you like me to edit your user name?

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/stop-and-search-no-comment.208270/

There was a Lee Jasper registered before, I think it's the same person

 

[Maggot]

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread, but I'd just like to say:


BRIXTON IS NOT A VILLAGE!

 

[gabi]

Technically, yes it is

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

no it isn't. perhaps it was in the past but it isn't now. it's not even an urban village.