Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
it was all going so well...
do we need a racial equivalent of a godwin's?
"I'm calling Japser's on this one"
it was all going so well...
do we need a racial equivalent of a godwin's?
From Brixton Splash web site
Food Court -- Cost per pitch size:
£450 – 6m x 3m pitch size
£350 – 3m x 3m pitch size
£250 – 3m x 3m pitch size, soft drinks only
£300 – Ice cream van pitch
Exhibitors/Info - Cost per stall:
£110 – 14’ x 7’ stall size
£75 – 7’ x 7’ stall size
£50 - 7’ x 7’ stall size Registered Charities
- Thank You to our Supporters:
Jamaican National, Lambeth Community Fund, The Metropolitan Police, MacDonalds, The Electric Social, Satay Bar, Deli Jerk, The Voice, South London Press and Vibes FM.
There is no mention of H&M - Boots - The Phone Companies - Morleys - TX Max - Currys - Halfords
The website Twitter and Facebook links aren't working
It looks like they haven't got themselves as well organised as they might . . . .
Could you explain why the comments are 'racist' please because I'm really not seeing the connection.Your comments are risible and frankly racist
"I'm calling Japser's on this one"
bit early to play the hate cardstuff
This explanation could be up there with his "No black person in the UK can be racist" statement.Could you explain why the comments are 'racist' please because I'm really not seeing the connection.
I think you're taking it a bit too literally. It's a metaphor.It isn't worth arguing because it's such a stupid thing to say
It isn't a village. Brixton is not an egg, a hat, an animal, a vegetable, a mineral, or a village
bit early to play the hate card
Always too early to post up those kind of deeply unpleasant comments.bit early to play the hate card
Could you explain why the comments are 'racist' please because I'm really not seeing the connection.
The accusation that the sponsoring pack of Brixton Splash was an attempt at blackmail and the accusation of us being "shady characters" is stereotypical that is out of order. The inference is that we are engaged in some sort of criminal activity. Its a disgraceful thing to say. We have raised legitimate issues and this is type of response is malicious and libellous. We are more than happy to debate the wrights and wrong of our approach but such comments are designed to obscure genuine debate and descend into mud slinging.
We are more than happy to debate the wrights and wrong of our approach
Rightly or wrongly you are seen by many as a shady character who is not immediately trustworthy (or even likeable). Like it or not, that is probably an important factor in Splash's failure to get enough support from local businesses. If not causal, it certainly will not have helped.The accusation that the sponsoring pack of Brixton Splash was an attempt at blackmail and the accusation of us being "shady characters" is stereotypical that is out of order. The inference is that we are engaged in some sort of criminal activity. Its a disgraceful thing to say. We have raised legitimate issues and this is type of response is malicious and libellous. We are more than happy to debate the wrights and wrong of our approach but such comments are designed to obscure genuine debate and descend into mud slinging.
In response to some of the more serious comments above.
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Facebook and twitter accounts are all ok the link has broken is all. Thanks for pointing this out.
Ted Strikers comments are
Your comments are risible and frankly conform to a racial stereotype . Of course all black men in Brixton are ' shady operators" and engaged in "blackmail". Whilst such comments are outrageous unfortunately being black and living in Brixton we are used to such inane drivel posed as serious commentary.
Can you clarify what measures you have put in place to allow businesses to offer employment opportunities to people who are currently unemployed? Were Splash going to offer the insurance to take people on for the day to get work experience? Were they going to liaise between businesses and the JobCentrePlus about the problems of doing work while on benefits? Were they going to cover the expenses for people to take up this as work experience rather than unpaid work that might lead to unemployed people being taken advantage of, have benefits problems and get businesses into hot water? There are rules to be observed. It's not bob a job week out there
I'd want to know all that before my intentions of offering a local kid some work experience in the local community could happen. And yeah, the website company not being local who make me wary. Why aren't Splash leading by example and keeping it Brixton based? Because I agree that this should be an opportunity used to the max...
Assuming that you really are LJ, and not a satirical imposter, out to damage the real LJ's reputation: did anybody say "all black men" ?
And are you "in Brixton". An old Evening Standard story suggests that you live in an agreeable street in Clapham.
www.standard.co.uk/news/kens-117000-aide-lives-in-90pw-council-house-6651527.html
Of course you might have moved since then. And Brixton is not a village, but contiguous with the rest of London, so it normally it would be silly to obsess about whether you lived strictly with the five wards of Brixton. But you've made this about Brixton per se.
So, to play the ball and not the man:
1) Several commentators, who actually run businesses in Brixton, have observed that they are constantly asked for charitable donations, and don't have the money or time to attend to these requests. One commentator pointed out that to get a good response, it's necessary to build a relationship and familiarity, and not just walk in and ask for money a few weeks before the event. What was your approach ? Did you expend the necessary time and energy to cultivate relationships with these businesses ?
2) Another commentator pointed out that the new mentoring aspect of Brixton Splash is a major departure from running a street festival, and that making a good job of mentoring/placement schemes is arduous, complicated and requires sustained effort. If anyone asked me to support a mentoring scheme, I would want to see a detailed, written plan. Did you present such a plan to these businesses ?
3) Brixton Splash is a non-profit company. Now you might think that this is a personal attack, but there has been a lot of adverse comment in the press about your previous funding activities.
www.standard.co.uk/news/auditor-condemns-ken-aide-in-city-hall-funding-scandal-6741798.html
The District Auditor said that your behaviour in channelling grants to close associates was “not appropriate,” that you concealed your personal relationships with them in a “conflict of interest” and that your conduct fell below “the standards expected” from a GLA officer. The auditor also observed grants to your associates had not passed through the normal procurement process and that City Hall “could not demonstrate that [it] had achieved value for money” from any of the payments.
No doubt the District Auditor is a racist too, but I think it's reasonable to say that many people would require a bit more due diligence before handing over money, when aware of this kind of history.
Why not publish Brixton Splash's accounts on your website, along with detailed info on income and expenditure ? Surely the more transparent you are to the community the better ?
Care to spell it out? Are you referring to the largely unproven accusations of the Evening Standard that were since rebuked.
I've always enjoyed Brixton splash but I do hope it doesn't lead into another riot. It was of course all peaceful last year until well after the music stopped.
Exactly. They are a different name for something already promoting the hell out of Brixton and just starting out in a paper form that is mean to be inclusive to those not online and Lee Jasper thinks it's beneficial to badmouth them...
Hello Mr Jasper
And if I may be so bold, welcome to Urban75.
The debates available here are many, varied and on very many different levels. Trolls, philosophers, anarchists, idealist, the clever, brilliant, wayward, bored, inane, inept and semi conscious all post here in what ever condition they find themselves at the moment.
Local issues as I'm sure your aware always attract colourful responses. Your opening sentence quoted above is where to keep your aim and keep in mind most threads will have a devils advocate or two to keep them warm.
I'm sure the Brixton Splash will be excellent, hopefully it won't be a financial nightmare for the organisers.
Kind regards
In response to some of the more serious comments above.
The general culture of UK private sector engagement with community organisations is poor throughout the UK.
It is important to say that we have had a good level of local business support and I am pleased to say more are expressing an interest and coming on board. But it could and should be better.
Our particular local difficulty relates not to our overall approach or offer, as I explain below. This reluctance reflects the general disinclination of some businesses to support community groups. The reality is some of Brixton’s business have never or sponsored or supported local community organisations and that needs to change .
This is critically important particularly at time of austerity cuts where business need to reassess their added value in an increasingly competitive market and the extent to which they are seen to be embedded and supportive in the wider local community of Brixton.
Brixton Splash intends to spark that debate by simply educating local consumers and promoting those business that demonstrate their commitment to local community initiatives not just in regards to Splash but their charitable work across the board.
In the autumn we will be holding public debate about these issues in order to raise general awareness about the potential for local business to help address working in partnership with the many local community groups and charities seeking to tackle the burgeoning social and economic issues facing communities in Lambeth.
Yes business are struggling which is why we are proud that Brixton Splash brings so much additional income to local businesses . However it is to be remembered that customers and their families with some of the highest levels of unemployment and deprivation are also struggling.
Another important point is that Brixton Splash not only asked business to consider financial support. We also requested alternative help in kind for those business who were unable to support by way of sponsorsphip. In particular we asked for support for young people seeking local employment, secondment or mentor opportunities for unemployed young people wanting to start a business. This gave maximum flexibility to small business to think creatively about their contribution in kind which is often more valuable than a cash sponsor in the longer term.
In any event common courtesy suggests that when a businesses receives such a request that they at least respond whatever their decision.
We think it is increasingly important that the local community can make informed choices about where and with whom they choose to spend their money . Shopper are increasing sophisticated and now consider factors such as ethical sourcing of goods and environmental issues when making choices. Social responsibility of local business is a legitimate concern and one that will become increasingly important for customers.
The point here is that we believe that all business could contribute something, in whatever way best suits them, toward tackling the serious social problems that are becoming acute in areas like Brixton. That is not the case currently with some business and we believe that has to change if we are to promote the development of cohesive communities and thriving local economies.
It's a state of mind. A Brixton state of mind.It isn't worth arguing because it's such a stupid thing to say
It isn't a village. Brixton is not an egg, a hat, an animal, a vegetable, a mineral, or a village
The accusation that the sponsoring pack of Brixton Splash was an attempt at blackmail and the accusation of us being "shady characters" is stereotypical that is out of order.
The inference is that we are engaged in some sort of criminal activity. Its a disgraceful thing to say. We have raised legitimate issues and this is type of response is malicious and libellous. We are more than happy to debate the wrights and wrong of our approach but such comments are designed to obscure genuine debate and descend into mud slinging.
Shoot the messenger all you like but at the end of the day I have said clearly that our debate will include, highlight and applaud those business that are supporting other local charitable or community initiatives other than Brixton Splash. Had we received such a responses they would have been welcome. The point is to spark a debate and that has been achieved. The festival bring tremendous economic and social benefit to Brixton and seeking to encourage a culture of engagement from local businesses in addressing the issues of unemployment and poverty is a win win for everybody whether thats through Brixton Splash or some other organisation.
out of order is not equal to racist.
also i would say that your naming and shaming (if you don't wish to call it the B word) is exactly the same thing. mud slinging.
let he who is with out sin throw the first mud
i would promote such an idea if it wasn't that such a niggardly use of my personal lexicon would blacken my name.