Brixton is a village and local businesses need to ensure they are engaged with the local community.
- Thread starter Lee Japser
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urbanspaceman
Well-Known Member
We've been getting this all wrong.
During the past few days U75 posters, with varying degrees of civility, have been making comments that point out to LJ where he has been going wrong, and (mostly) suggesting constructive ways of making things better.
In other words, we have assumed that this is an essentially political issue, and that LJ, like any competent politician or community activist, listens - or at least pays lip service - to the views of his constituents. Not necessarily because politicians are angels, but because in the give-and-take of retail politics they need to build a broad a base of support, in order to get anything done at all.
LJ said an interesting thing: that he isn't a politician. And he's telling the truth. He is not interested in achieving concensus, unconcerned about alienating people (how many of the named-and-shamed will ever take part in Brixton Splash ?) and unembarrased about showcasing rampant narcisissm (re: the temerity of people in not responding to him)
LJ is actually a businessman. He is an seasoned professional in the Controversy Industry; his brand is himself. And he needs to make a living. Losing a £120k job working for Ken would leave a hole in anybody's pocket and one that needs to be filled, pronto. So BS is a new product line for LJ. All the "naming-and-shaming" and similar demagoguery is a required feature of his business strategy, not a flaw.
Is LJ a troll ? Why, yes. That's his business model.
During the past few days U75 posters, with varying degrees of civility, have been making comments that point out to LJ where he has been going wrong, and (mostly) suggesting constructive ways of making things better.
In other words, we have assumed that this is an essentially political issue, and that LJ, like any competent politician or community activist, listens - or at least pays lip service - to the views of his constituents. Not necessarily because politicians are angels, but because in the give-and-take of retail politics they need to build a broad a base of support, in order to get anything done at all.
LJ said an interesting thing: that he isn't a politician. And he's telling the truth. He is not interested in achieving concensus, unconcerned about alienating people (how many of the named-and-shamed will ever take part in Brixton Splash ?) and unembarrased about showcasing rampant narcisissm (re: the temerity of people in not responding to him)
LJ is actually a businessman. He is an seasoned professional in the Controversy Industry; his brand is himself. And he needs to make a living. Losing a £120k job working for Ken would leave a hole in anybody's pocket and one that needs to be filled, pronto. So BS is a new product line for LJ. All the "naming-and-shaming" and similar demagoguery is a required feature of his business strategy, not a flaw.
Is LJ a troll ? Why, yes. That's his business model.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
right, we can accept that Mr J doesn't mean that Brixton is a rural village, but could it be an urban village. that might go some way to restore his credibility on this thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_village
oh dear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_village
oh dear.
ricbake
working out how
It feels like it's a town and essentially it has a town centre but it's part of a conurbation. In the eleventh century it was Brixestan not quite a village and didn't change much until the beginning of the nineteenth century with the Industrial revolution and the railway. The current village bit seems to come from Space Makers
November 17, 2009 – 10:36 am
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
Brixton Village is also not a village, it's an investment opportunity.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
So this cockwit has come here to use the site for their own publicity then calls the site users racist for pointing out his tactics of name and shame are tantamount to being held up...
jog on Jasper, you broke the posting FAQ with you first post you publicity seeking whore...
jog on Jasper, you broke the posting FAQ with you first post you publicity seeking whore...
mr steev
magic thought wizard
The fact that it is a collection of villages means it's no longer a village. Virtually every large town and city was a collection of villages and hamlets.
There's an area of Wolverhampton many old people still call 'the village' as it was when they were younger, but it certainly isn't anymore even though it still has it's center. It has grown and lost that status
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Lee - it's great to hear you "coming out" as yourself. I think I am the only other poster who is readily identifiable - but I can get away with it because i have "a diagnosis" as they so charmingly put it here on Urban 75. I have been slagged off for saying batty man - and then apologised to when I said I was gay.
Some people just can't take the truth.
As I tweeted to our mutual friend the Councillor for Downham the other day when he got all riled up "Politeness is the most acceptable face of hypocrisy" - urging him not to use the f word and c word.
Always be polite - I learned that at my Methodist boarding school where the bullies forced me to be gay - literally!
Some people just can't take the truth.
As I tweeted to our mutual friend the Councillor for Downham the other day when he got all riled up "Politeness is the most acceptable face of hypocrisy" - urging him not to use the f word and c word.
Always be polite - I learned that at my Methodist boarding school where the bullies forced me to be gay - literally!
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Osborne is non-u - shome mishtake here shurely!
editor
hiraethified
Here's the absolute proof that Pat was involved with Splash from the very start. I trust the 'history' page on the Brixton Splash website will be amended to reflect and fully credit his efforts - and perhaps questions asked why he was airbrushed out of history. Looks like a full apology would be in order too.
The idea was first mooted on this thread: Coldharbour Lane Party.. .. looking for volunteers
May 8th 2006:
May 11th 2006:
The idea was first mooted on this thread: Coldharbour Lane Party.. .. looking for volunteers
May 8th 2006:
May 11th 2006:
I'm in support of nearly everything Lee Jasper wants. Good business / community relations, opportunities for young people, a great festival, and a celebration of the 50th anniversary (not the SMA, but that's my opinion of the quality of work : level of funding). I just don't like this way of going about it. BS: if you take fortyplus as your Chair you might get a better response! Now ther's an idea - what about inviting a prominent business member as chair, to talk to the wider business community? There are some inspiring black business leaders in Brixton.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Sorry but if a business is in Brixton it is by virtue of the fact it is there, already committed to the area, more so if it has a single location. It is wrong to suggest otherwise and despite your stated insight into small business, you don't appear to make allowances for a lack of response, irrespective of a reason put to you.
The reason I pointed out inconsistencies in your website is that it doesn't come across in a way that sells what you are trying to achieve as well as it might. It's not my focus. It's not my concern. It's a comment.
The reason I mentioned it, is you appear to assume any/every business should find time to respond, yet you don't appear to be able to find time to check what I would see as being a very basic part of what you are marketing? It smacks slightly of setting a dual standard if you don't conform to business standards you have said you expect of others.
If you want me to find time, I would expect you to find time. If I am a small business with limited resources and you are selling my 'name', I would expect you to make the adjustment. To name and shame me if I do not (because the message is garbled) isn't constructive.
A recent reply from "A member of the Brixton Splash Board"
Not being a founder member of the Board I am afraid my knowledge of the origins of the event in terms of who developed what concepts are limited. I was well aware of the reason the event was initiated and share strongly those values and desires. I have copied our Chair here Lee Jasper & Blacker Dread who is a founding member of the Board and would be best placed to comment further on the origins of the event.
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> I am more than happy to correct the statement on our website as certainly that is one area I control at present however, as I am sure you will understand I cannot do that without receiving confirmation from Blacker that your comments are indeed accurate and how the content should be amended to better reflect the origins of the event.
..... It was indeed the local constabulary who advised the inclusion of Blacker would be beneficial to our cause. I ask the question; "Who came up with the name, Brixton Splash?" We all know who designed the original logo...
seriousl;y glid I leart how t use spill chock!
Lee Japser
Well-Known Member
I stand corrected and will inform the board and amend our misspelt web page to reflect this fact. If someone can provide me with a little more information that would be great.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
shouldn't you already have this seeing as you're pushing this promotion?
shoody half cocked work there son...
editor
hiraethified
I assume that Brixton Splash are now going to apologise fully for treating Pat so shabbily and finally credit him in full on the web page?
Seeing as it was completely obvious to all concerned that Pat was involved in Brixton Splash from the start, I'd like to know why he has received no credit in all this time and who was responsible for airbushing him out of the event's history.
I would suggest that this incident could reflect very badly on the honestly and credibility of Brixton Splash as a whole, so I hope you will deal with this swiftly as matter of fairness and transparency.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Front page of website apology with a picture of Pat?
Ooooo B' Jesus... Anyone got a free day to spend on Photoshop!!!!
ricbake
working out how
I'm in the pub and have been a while but having just scanned throiugh recent posts to this thread I think that it appears to be a very constructive discussion and now that Lee is aware of the information here it will be great if he can act upon it. The Brixton Splash has regular committee meetings and due process needs to be followed.
The encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Brixton SplasH's origins will hopefully be reflected in its publicity material as soon as possible.
But it may take some time as their web team our out of town (or Village) and there are people on holiday tis week.
The encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Brixton SplasH's origins will hopefully be reflected in its publicity material as soon as possible.
But it may take some time as their web team our out of town (or Village) and there are people on holiday tis week.
Now hang on a minute - I've got a business to run! I don't have the time for all that.
Besides, I'm not black.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
*popcorn*
editor
hiraethified
I do hope you're contribute something a little more substantial than an endless run of insults.
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