British and Irish Lions 2017

[1927]

Probably because 30 years ago there weren't as many Māori lads in the AB's, those who were in weren't as in you have with their roots as modern māori players are and so the haka as it was was a ghost impression of it.

Buck Shelford, who's Ngāphui, initiated the change in the late eighties against a background of the wider revival of Māori culture - including the first Waitangi tribunal land claims, Māori media being set up, Māori immersion schools, reinstatement of traditional roles within Māori society etc.

By the early 70's it was reckoned Māori culture was almost dead, a result of a govt that tried to stamp it out in the early 20th century (writing in Te Reo was illegal, kids were beaten at school for not speaking English ).

After Aaron Smith got caught in the toilet with a woman who wasn't his partner last year, he got stripped of leading the haka because he didn't have the mana to do it any more. It would have been disrespectful to the culture for him to lead it. More going on with this than you reckon

Far from it becoming 'sinister', it's becoming more accurate. The video you can see showing the development of it over the years, from an awkward half arse set of motions to the proper stuff you see today is a great marker of the regrowth of māori culture in Aotearoa

A good haka, done well, is a beautiful thing

They could do without the SFX guys giving it the fire mind

But what the fuck has it got to do with a game of rugby?

 

[bendeus]

Probably because 30 years ago there weren't as many Māori lads in the AB's, those who were in weren't as in you have with their roots as modern māori players are and so the haka as it was was a ghost impression of it.

Buck Shelford, who's Ngāphui, initiated the change in the late eighties against a background of the wider revival of Māori culture - including the first Waitangi tribunal land claims, Māori media being set up, Māori immersion schools, reinstatement of traditional roles within Māori society etc.

By the early 70's it was reckoned Māori culture was almost dead, a result of a govt that tried to stamp it out in the early 20th century (writing in Te Reo was illegal, kids were beaten at school for not speaking English ).

After Aaron Smith got caught in the toilet with a woman who wasn't his partner last year, he got stripped of leading the haka because he didn't have the mana to do it any more. It would have been disrespectful to the culture for him to lead it. More going on with this than you reckon

Far from it becoming 'sinister', it's becoming more accurate. The video you can see showing the development of it over the years, from an awkward half arse set of motions to the proper stuff you see today is a great marker of the regrowth of māori culture in Aotearoa

A good haka, done well, is a beautiful thing

They could do without the SFX guys giving it the fire mind

I get all that (though I've learned something new from your post) but it can surely be both things; the burgeoning confidence in a culture that was nearly lost and a fucking great way of setting yourself up to win a game of rugby. I'm interested in the crossover, where the proud custodianship of a revived tradition interfaces perfectly with being able to dictate when you do it, how you do it and how people should or shouldn't respond to it.

 

[bendeus]

Normal dirt tracker service resumed, then

 

[starfish]

Caught a bit of Umaga talking about the Haka last week. Cant find the video but it was pretty much along these lines.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/11214143/Revealed-How-New-Zealand-nearly-ditched-the-haka.html

 

[1927]

On the basis that not everyone doing the haka is actually of maori heritage, doesn't this deserve a mention in the cultural appropriation thread?

 

[Balbi]

Only if you don't know that New Zealand has the protection and promotion of indigenous culture and practice embedded within it's founding document, bi-cultural with the binary being Maori culture and all others who've turned up. It really, really annoys white people

Three big moments in the game.

Farrell taking that kick fresh off the bench

Wyn Jones etc offside at the lineout after Laidlaw had punted us off our own line into their territory

Dan Cole

Leaving 8 points out on the pitch. Biggar's miss, Farrell's miss, Daly's miss. Can't do that against any side.

Lots of hearty laughing at the Crusaders here though

 

[Balbi]

All eyes on Wales v Tonga and AB's v Samoa on Friday

tbh, it would have been better to have Samoa v Tonga for the atmosphere

 

[gawkrodger]

Farrell injured

 

[Balbi]

Hansen making mischief saying Gats is about to call up 5 players and split the squad between Midweek and Test teams.

Wouldn't be hard really, with Scotland in Aussie and Wales in town.

Jamie Roberts has been telling confused locals they're not the Lions, but on a stag do

 

[sleaterkinney]

Ominous performance from NZ.

 

[gawkrodger]

that 2nd try and the one set up by Jordie Barrett were both things of beauty

 

[Balbi]

Against all but the other 2 in the top 3 its basically the Harlem Globetrotters these days.

 

[pocketscience]

anyone got a stream for the game?

 

[bendeus]

North having a game to forget thus far

 

[A380]

Intresting additions to the team...

Let's see if getting out of bed early will be worth it.

 

[bendeus]

Intresting additions to the team...

Let's see if getting out of bed early will be worth it.

If I was English, Scottish or Irish I'd be absolutely furious with that call up. Talk about devaluing the jersey!

 

[bendeus]

Phenomenal touch finder from Sexton there

 

[bendeus]

FFS, penalties killing us again

 

[flypanam]

Also inability to finish off chances. Shit, just to have players on the shoulder and as Barnes said play from first phase just seems beyond them. Stan's good work eh?

 

[A380]

Lucky just a yellow.

 

[bendeus]

Peyper is a cowardly fucker. Should have been a second yellow in the lead up to the try

 

[bendeus]

Masterclass in forward powerplay atm.

 

[bendeus]

And peyper still shitting out of yellow card decisions

 

[A380]

 

[sleaterkinney]

If I was English, Scottish or Irish I'd be absolutely furious with that call up. Talk about devaluing the jersey!

It's bullshit, lots of better options.

 

[starfish]

The shirt was devalued long ago.

 

[starfish]

Good performance from the pack today. Pre flight it was probably the best one on paper.

 

[Grandma Death]

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Lots of controversy on social media about the call ups and Gatland is 'dirtying the name' of the lions. Came across this post today-seems to make some sense:

"Come on wake up, the management team already know their first choice 25 and rightly want to keep them off the pitch and save them for the test matches, if by drafting these players in to go on the bench for the remaining 2 midweek games helps us win the series then so be it.
I can only see 4 Welsh players starting the first test but give me option of a series win NO Welsh players or a loss with half a team full and it a no brainer, unfortunately to many Warren and Wales haters to have the same mind set. Stick to watching your own nations if you only want your own players on the park"


Thoughts?

 

[stavros]

Did Kruis confirm his place in next week's 15? That second row is so competitive.

Te'o is looking like the most dangerous carrying back.

 

[starfish]

32-10. Thats how you answer.