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So, it's almost upon us. That time when we can put aside our emnities, stop hating each others' players (except Fat Dylan, obv) and instead start appreciating their talents, physical prowess and what they bring to the side. We can, for once, be united by rugby (except when the useless fucker from team x, the idiot coach from team y, or the unutterably daft decision by the captain from team z undermines that unity)

I don't think this 6N augers well, TBH. Lots of tough, physical and often scrappy and uninspiring rugby on offer. Too much of the 'honest triers' and too little of the rubicon crossing flyers to, in my opinion, trouble the ABs at home. Some question marks, too, about the coaching staff. Most on here know my opinion of Gatland, Howley speaks for himself and I'm not sure I'm entirely bought into Farrell's defensive philosophy (Ireland conceded quite a few tries this tournament). On the flip side, Ireland have shown how to beat the ABs and that they're fallible if pressure is unrelenting and execution is near-perfect.

One thing's for sure - to win a tour in NZ you need to bring something different - Carwyn's Lions in '74 showed that the only way to beat the ABs over a tour is to outthink them; keep them guessing and stay on the front foot mentally, physically and tactically. Gatland ain't no Carwyn, and the squad won't be peppered with JPRs, Prices, Barry Johns, GOEs, etc., etc. Nevertheless, we've got to go there believing we've got a chance.

Gatland will obviously go to dominate up front - there'll be a lot of beef in that pack - and to keep discipline and hold the line defensively at the back. Will he go with his innate conservatism and include Halfpenny, whose indifferent form hasn't exactly lit up the pitch but whose defence probably still puts him ahead of the rest of the field, and whose boot can 'do a Neil Jenkins' and snaffle points from distance if there are infringements anywhere up to halfway or Hogg, who is electric going forward but suspect as a final line of defence? The next few weeks will be very interesting, and some brilliant players won't even travel. Here, for the sake of it, is my XXIII - a mix of who I'd pick and who I think Gatland will go for.

Vunipola, Owens, Furlong
Itoje, AWJ
Stander, Vunipola, Warburton (c)

Hogg, North, Joseph, Farrell, Sexton, Murray, Watson

Bench
Nel
Cole
Launchbury
J George
Faletau
Webb
Te'o
Halfpenny

1 Scot
4 Irish
4 Welsh
6 English in the starting line up

Just a starter for ten :) Feel free to shoot me down
 
Who's 'Fat Dylan?' Like it. A huge unit I take it.

No idea, but my welsh mates seem to be looking forward to this thing.
 
Fat Dylan is everyone's favourite biting, stamping, gouging English hooker, Dylan Hartley.
 
Vunipola, Owens, Furlong
Itoje, AWJ
Stander, Vunipola, Warburton (c)

Hogg, North, Joseph, Farrell, Sexton, Murray, Watson

Bench
Nel
Cole
Launchbury
J George
Faletau
Webb
Te'o
Halfpenny

1 Scot
4 Irish
4 Welsh
6 English in the starting line up

Just a starter for ten :) Feel free to shoot me down

Is there a case to take Launchbury? I thought he was England's most consistent player in the 6N.
 
Is there a case to take Launchbury? I thought he was England's most consistent player in the 6N.
He's a magnificent player and on my bench. I think Kruis will also tour. TBH I think lock is the hardest area to call. You've got AWJ, Grey, Itoje, Kruis, Launchbury all in with a shout, maybe more than that.
 
So, it's almost upon us. That time when we can put aside our emnities, stop hating each others' players (except Fat Dylan, obv) and instead start appreciating their talents, physical prowess and what they bring to the side. We can, for once, be united by rugby (except when the useless fucker from team x, the idiot coach from team y, or the unutterably daft decision by the captain from team z undermines that unity)

I don't think this 6N augers well, TBH. Lots of tough, physical and often scrappy and uninspiring rugby on offer. Too much of the 'honest triers' and too little of the rubicon crossing flyers to, in my opinion, trouble the ABs at home. Some question marks, too, about the coaching staff. Most on here know my opinion of Gatland, Howley speaks for himself and I'm not sure I'm entirely bought into Farrell's defensive philosophy (Ireland conceded quite a few tries this tournament). On the flip side, Ireland have shown how to beat the ABs and that they're fallible if pressure is unrelenting and execution is near-perfect.

One thing's for sure - to win a tour in NZ you need to bring something different - Carwyn's Lions in '74 showed that the only way to beat the ABs over a tour is to outthink them; keep them guessing and stay on the front foot mentally, physically and tactically. Gatland ain't no Carwyn, and the squad won't be peppered with JPRs, Prices, Barry Johns, GOEs, etc., etc. Nevertheless, we've got to go there believing we've got a chance.

Gatland will obviously go to dominate up front - there'll be a lot of beef in that pack - and to keep discipline and hold the line defensively at the back. Will he go with his innate conservatism and include Halfpenny, whose indifferent form hasn't exactly lit up the pitch but whose defence probably still puts him ahead of the rest of the field, and whose boot can 'do a Neil Jenkins' and snaffle points from distance if there are infringements anywhere up to halfway or Hogg, who is electric going forward but suspect as a final line of defence? The next few weeks will be very interesting, and some brilliant players won't even travel. Here, for the sake of it, is my XXIII - a mix of who I'd pick and who I think Gatland will go for.

Vunipola, Owens, Furlong
Itoje, AWJ
Stander, Vunipola, Warburton (c)

Hogg, North, Joseph, Farrell, Sexton, Murray, Watson

Bench
Nel
Cole
Launchbury
J George
Faletau
Webb
Te'o
Halfpenny

1 Scot
4 Irish
4 Welsh
6 English in the starting line up

Just a starter for ten :) Feel free to shoot me down


A third English, a third Irish the other third welsh/scottish

You not think Biggar had a good 6N and is worthy of inclusion?
 
A third English, a third Irish the other third welsh/scottish

You not think Biggar had a good 6N and is worthy of inclusion?
I love Biggar - nobody plays with more heart and guts - but his limitations in terms of the modern game are getting exposed. He's too slow, can't play flat and doesn't have the distribution. Right now I'd say he's definitely behind Ford, Farrell and Sexton. Not sure how he compares to Russell, who's flakey and IMO, overrated.
 
Match dates:

Saturday 3rd June 2017
Provincial Union Team
Toll Stadium, Whangarei

Wednesday 7th June 2017
Blues
Eden Park Auckland

Saturday 10th June 2017
Crusaders
AMI Stadium Christchurch

Tuesday 13th June 2017
Highlanders
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin

Saturday 17th June 2017
Maori All Blacks
Rotorua International Stadium

Tuesday 20th June 2017
Chiefs
FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton

Saturday 24th June 2017
All Blacks
Eden Park Auckland

Tuesday 27th June 2017
Hurricanes
Westpac Stadium Wellington

Saturday 1st July 2017
All Blacks
Westpac Stadium Wellington

Saturday 8th July 2017

All Blacks
Eden Park Auckland


(Edited to tidy up and highlight the main games)
 
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Who do you think might be surprise inclusions? I would give Henderson a tour slot as number 6. Aggressive and a great line out option too. Not great at the breakdown but if you're playing him with Warburton that would hardly matter. I think Stander is as one dimensional as they come and wouldn't even bring him. SOB loses out for have a very ordinarily 6 nations.
 
Who do you think might be surprise inclusions? I would give Henderson a tour slot as number 6. Aggressive and a great line out option too. Not great at the breakdown but if you're playing him with Warburton that would hardly matter. I think Stander is as one dimensional as they come and wouldn't even bring him. SOB loses out for have a very ordinarily 6 nations.
Gavin Henson ;)
 
I was going to say Tipuric, probably Wales' best player in the 6N. As you say though, the back of the scrum is ridiculously competitive. Lawes was good too.
 
If it was me I'd pick an all-Welsh backrow of Tips, Warburton and Faletau. We dominated every side we played at the breakdown and that should count for something. It's not me, though, it's Gatland, and he likes big lumps. I could well imagine Tips on the bench, though. He had a fantastic 6N amidst a sea of (mostly) dross
 
I was going to say Tipuric, probably Wales' best player in the 6N. As you say though, the back of the scrum is ridiculously competitive. Lawes was good too.
Yeah. Forgot Lawes. Another who's put his hand up at second row
 
Stephen Jones in the Times has apparently picked Kearney at 15 and Scott Williams at 12 for his XV. Fuck me, and he gets paid for this. :D:facepalm:
 
Here's the picks of the 4 Times rugby pundits. A couple of selections (e.g. Kearney) are just plain mental. Really surprised to see SOB in three of them. Reputation rather than form?


STEPHEN JONES

R Kearney, G North, J Joseph, S Williams, A Watson, O Farrell, R Webb, B Vunipola, S Warburton, M Itoje, C Lawes, AW Jones, T Furlong, D Hartley, J McGrath

LAWRENCE DALLAGLIO

S Hogg, G North, J Davies, O Farrell, E Daly, J Sexton, C Murray, B Vunipola, J Tipuric, S O’Brien, J Launchbury, M Itoje, T Furlong, D Hartley, M Vunipola

STUART BARNES

S Hogg, G North, J Joseph, O Farrell, A Watson, J Sexton, C Murray, B Vunipola, S O’Brien, S Warburton, M Itoje, AW Jones, T Furlong, K Owens, M Vunipola

PETER O’REILLY

L Williams, G North, J Joseph, O Farrell, A Watson, J Sexton, C Murray, B Vunipola, S O’Brien, M Itoje, J Launchbury, AW Jones, D Cole, J George, J McGrath
 
... and Barnes has picked the same XV as me. I feel slightly dirty.

E2A: no he hasn't. SOB's there
 
Jones is a fucking fool. I reckon before he makes these kind of selections he wonders who he can annoy and then selects based on that.
It has to be that, right, as anyone with a modicum of rugby understanding and who has watched recent games would know that these are exploding clown car selections for a tour of NZ, let alone someone who makes a living from watching and writing about the sport. So he's either trolling or he's genuinely clueless about rugby, which would be quite astonishing given his day job.
 
A mate of mine has but €50 on Kieran Marmion being the bolter on the tour, his reasoning is two good performances in 6N and two appearances including one on the wing against the ABs.

May be right...Ashton on the Lions, if ever a person could sow discord it'll be him.
 
Bit odd really. England have better options on the wing let alone the Lions.
There's nothing like a Lions tour for bizarre banging of drums for has been or never were players. I note that the Times has reiterated its opinion that Kearney is in serious contention for the 15 berth. What 6N were they watching?
 
We should have a competition to find the crapest linking of a player to the Lions. Denny Solomona has to be up there, fresh from shafting Cas and probably not even qualified yet but apparently........
 
We should have a competition to find the crapest linking of a player to the Lions. Denny Solomona has to be up there, fresh from shafting Cas and probably not even qualified yet but apparently........
That sounds like fun. 50 points for a player who has never earned a cap, 75 for a player who has earned a cap but is now overlooked for international duty, 100 for a player who isn't international standard but is being touted because he's hard, 125 for someone who's patently ineligible, 150 for Shane Williams and 1000 for Gavin Henson.
 
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