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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

editor said:
Can you post up a link to that Twitter thread please?
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Aye, that one was a stand-alone post:


This is from the Guardian feed:


And there's lots more abuse for the beer, the company and the man this morning if you just search Twitter on 'Brewdog'.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Daily Mail are covering the story and, typically for that rag, they are focusing on her modelling rather than her science/engineering background or the fact that she is the director of a media agency.
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Just highlights yet again why you should steer clear of that garbage.
 
What is she supposed to have done? It just says he accuses her of fraud and dishonesty but if she has been saying shit about him shouldn't he be suing her rather than a prosecution? I thought private prosecutions were only for when someone had commited a crime and the rozzers weren't interested in doing anything.
 
JoeyBoy said:
What is she supposed to have done? It just says he accuses her of fraud and dishonesty but if she has been saying shit about him shouldn't he be suing her rather than a prosecution? I thought private prosecutions were only for when someone had commited a crime and the rozzers weren't interested in doing anything.
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I've no idea but I can sense a tsunami sized Streisand Effect bubbling up over this.
 
JoeyBoy said:
What is she supposed to have done? It just says he accuses her of fraud and dishonesty but if she has been saying shit about him shouldn't he be suing her rather than a prosecution? I thought private prosecutions were only for when someone had commited a crime and the rozzers weren't interested in doing anything.
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This is quite useful info.

Private Prosecutions | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk www.cps.gov.uk
 
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JoeyBoy said:
What is she supposed to have done? It just says he accuses her of fraud and dishonesty but if she has been saying shit about him shouldn't he be suing her rather than a prosecution? I thought private prosecutions were only for when someone had commited a crime and the rozzers weren't interested in doing anything.
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Ideally all cases and prosecutions would be bought by law enforcement and the CPS. However, owing to budget and resource cuts to both institutions over recent years, the police are unable to investigate as many cases as they would like.


With limited resources at their disposal, in terms of both money and front-line officers, there is a greater focus on preventing and detecting violent crime, terrorism, and offences against individuals — justifiably so. Consequently, fraud, particularly against corporate entities can be considered lower priority, apparently 'victimless' crimes. As such, these cases are often not investigated further and therefore never make it into the judicial system.


This problem is exacerbated by the issues of recruiting and retaining detectives in the Criminal Investigation Department (CID), which was labelled a "national crisis" by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) review. This reduction in capacity, combined with the increasing volume of material in cases as a result of modern technology, means that some cases are at risk of being 'screened out' at an early stage.


What this means for victims is that private prosecutions provide a real alternative for victims to seek justice
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JoeyBoy said:
What is she supposed to have done? It just says he accuses her of fraud and dishonesty but if she has been saying shit about him shouldn't he be suing her rather than a prosecution? I thought private prosecutions were only for when someone had commited a crime and the rozzers weren't interested in doing anything.
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Using criminal fraud proceedings in this manner for what would normally be defamation is novel , overbearing and I would suggest bullying.
 
kenny g said:
Using criminal fraud proceedings in this manner for what would normally be defamation is novel , overbearing and I would suggest bullying.
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There's a bit more to it than that.

He's alleging 'a 2 year campaign of blackmail, fraud, harassment, defamation, and malicious communications'

BrewDog to open 27 sites this year

But the main news in that piece is that the superb Brewdog business model continues it's phenomenal success with plans to open 27 new locations this year, including 8 more overseas.

Wow! :eek:
 
billy_bob said:
It's like 8 hours later and I'm still laughing at 'look at his stupid fucking hat and wristband and face'
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Yeah, but you aren’t really. If you’ve been laughing at that for 8 hours there’s something wrong with you. What you’ve actually been doing is wishing you worked for him and were up for a bit of the 100 mil!
 
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Spymaster said:
Yeah, but you aren’t really. If you’ve been laughing at that for 8 hours there’s something wrong with you.
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Yes, you win. I have indeed taken breaks in order to conduct my usual daily business, while occasionally seeing this thread or the Twitter post or remembering the wording and laughing to myself about it.

Those posters who haven't had a sense of humour bypass will no doubt recognise hyperbole when they see it and understand that I meant 'I find that wording very funny'.
 
kenny g said:
Using criminal fraud proceedings in this manner for what would normally be defamation is novel , overbearing and I would suggest bullying.
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Possibly. Or it could be to defend himself and his company against a concerted campaign of harassment, lies and fraud.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

www.insider.co.uk

BrewDog CEO details legal action underway against 'individuals who defrauded me'

Criminal prosecution for serious fraud and malicious communications ongoing in London, while civil proceedings have started at The Court of Session in Scotland
www.insider.co.uk www.insider.co.uk
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Possibly. Or it could be to defend himself and his company against a concerted campaign of harassment, lies and fraud.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

www.insider.co.uk

BrewDog CEO details legal action underway against 'individuals who defrauded me'

Criminal prosecution for serious fraud and malicious communications ongoing in London, while civil proceedings have started at The Court of Session in Scotland
www.insider.co.uk www.insider.co.uk
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Kind of weird that no one seems to know anything about this 'concerted campaign of harassment, lies and fraud.'

If he's looking for damages, he's going to have to prove reputational damage and that might get interesting :D
 
editor said:
Kind of weird that no one seems to know anything about this 'concerted campaign of harassment, lies and fraud.'
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It's not completely implausible to imagine someone with a grudge against him - and he's given plenty of people plenty of reasons for them - setting out to expose him and going too far, thinking, well, I know he's a wrong 'un so it doesn't really matter if I have to stretch the truth a bit to make sure everyone else knows it.

But yes, on the face of it it seems a little convenient that someone who's accused of all sorts of dishonesty and shoddy treatment of others has apparently been the victim of exactly that himself all this time.
 
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He says he was defrauded of half a million pounds and this is what one of the cases is about.

Who knows what the truth is. Obviously plenty of contributors to this thread have satisfied themselves that he is so much of a wrong-un, pretty much anything goes as far as attacks on him are concerned.

A lot of that seems to be based on what was in the BBC documentary. He says that a lot of what was said in that documentary is not true. And it sounds like what the court case is about, is connected with things that were claimed in the documentary.

It'll certainly be pretty interesting to see what comes out in court.

The same outrage merchants who want everything to be black and white will of course take what I've written above as some kind of statement of support for Brewdog guy, regardless of what the actual words say.

Finally, I don't think it's ok to have a go at people based on aspects of their looks that they have no control over. Mocking hats or armbands is ok, but not faces. I hope we can all agree on that, after a little reflection.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Possibly. Or it could be to defend himself and his company against a concerted campaign of harassment, lies and fraud.
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Which is exactly what you'd do if you believed it genuinely was the case.

Let's be honest; practically everything BD have been accused of has been thoroughly debunked on this very thread.

Any reasonable onlooker would conclude that Mr Watt, may have a very sound case.
 
nastyned said:
How old is this thread? And how old is the documentary? To be honest what went into the BBC documentary is tame compared to what I've heard from people that worked for Brewdog.
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Until quite recently, this thread was mainly about Brewdog marketing (as per its title). The things to do with former employees only really appeared in the last couple of years and this thread shifted its focus to that quite recently. First there were the open letters, then after a bit the documentary appeared to confirm various accusations. I think that had an effect on perception. It had an effect on mine anyway.
 
teuchter said:
Finally, I don't think it's ok to have a go at people based on aspects of their looks that they have no control over. Mocking hats or armbands is ok, but not faces. I hope we can all agree on that, after a little reflection.
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SpookyFrank actually referred to him as "chief"

Which is outrageously offensive to Native Americans, and comparable to the "N" word in some their communities.

Disappointing.
 
billy_bob said:
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Yes, you win. I have indeed taken breaks in order to conduct my usual daily business, while occasionally seeing this thread or the Twitter post or remembering the wording and laughing to myself about it.

Those posters who haven't had a sense of humour bypass will no doubt recognise hyperbole when they see it and understand that I meant 'I find that wording very funny'.
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How funny did you find it?

Did you laugh aloud, grin a bit and snort, or just think "huh" without any overt expession?
 
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