Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[El Jefe]

To be honest, it's doing those who drink on the tube a big favour - it does look a bit desperate if you can't wait until you reach your destination (and I say this as someone who has drunk on the tube once or twice).

So I should be grateful that a piece of illiberal, unworkable, disastrous legislation has been passed to enable me to uphold my otherwise flawless public image?

What absolute toss.

 

[DotCommunist]

To be honest, it's doing those who drink on the tube a big favour - it does look a bit desperate if you can't wait until you reach your destination (and I say this as someone who has drunk on the tube once or twice).

You may be so devoid in self confidence that the thought of how you are percieved by strangers on the tube ranks as significant, but many people are not.

 

[untethered]

It's more about gaining press and there's no similar public petition facility for London.

You won't gain any press. Your petition will be rejected and no-one will be able to sign it. You're just creating work for Mr Brown's web slaves for no demonstrable benefit.

Find a general petition site and do it there. Or better, don't.

 

[dream_girl]

if someone can't get by for that length of time without alcohol, then they need to take a long hard look at their life.

Shit country, noisy city, stressful job, malfunctioning public transport. And Boris Johnson is mayor. I don't think a long hard look is necessary, it's obvious why I want a drink at the end of a long day at work.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You won't gain any press. Your petition will be rejected and no-one will be able to sign it. You're just creating work for Mr Brown's web slaves for no demonstrable benefit.

Find a general petition site and do it there. Or better, don't.

Bullshit. And another good reason to go ahead with it.

 

[untethered]

You may be so devoid in self confidence that the thought of how you are percieved by strangers on the tube ranks as significant, but many people are not.

But isn't that the problem? No-one cares what anyone else thinks any more.

We live in a shameless society where being drunk in public is considered, quite wrongly, to be no-one else's business.

Thank goodness that we now have a common sense mayor that cares about such things.

 

[laptop]

Last time I drank on the Tube, we brought wineglasses. And brightened everyone else's day.


Anyone for a bottle or eight of cava on 1 June?

 

[dream_girl]

Find a general petition site and do it there. Or better, don't.

Why? Because it would interfere with your narrow conceptions of democracy?

 

[ajdown]

also send out a press notice (Brixton based community activist site opposes Bojo booze ban etc), try and get Brian Paddick to say something about it too. = headline city!

Um... you do not speak for me. Therefore this 'community activist site' does not 'oppose' something that is long overdue.

You do realise, of course, that it's only because people cannot control themselves in public that these kind of rules need to be introduced?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Anyone for a bottle or eight of cava on 1 June?

You know a mass drinkathon in defiance aint a bad idea...

 

[untethered]

B-. And another good reason to go ahead with it.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/list/rejected

 

[dream_girl]

We live in a shameless society where being drunk in public is considered, quite wrongly, to be no-one else's business.

So if I have one drink now I'm going to be treated as a drunkard?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Um... you do not speak for me. Therefore this 'community activist site' does not 'oppose' something that is long overdue.

You do realise, of course, that it's only because people cannot control themselves in public that these kind of rules need to be introduced?

I'm not saying I do but the Ed does own the site and besides he could run a poll to gage opinion. Also, it doesn't have to be 100% true to gain press attention, it just has to make a good story.

 

[ajdown]

Be sure to explain how that's going to change if people are unable to drink for the duration of their short journey.

Oh, and when was the last time you were "surrounded by alcoholics" on a tube journey or is this just a manufactured FACT!

Whilst 'surrounded' probably has different definitions, how about "the last time I was out on a bus after 9pm"?

 

[DotCommunist]

But isn't that the problem? No-one cares what anyone else thinks any more.

We live in a shameless society where being drunk in public is considered, quite wrongly, to be no-one else's business.

Thank goodness that we now have a common sense mayor that cares about such things.

Why should we care what strangers think? why am I bothering to debate this with you,? you'd probably be horrified by my attire you relic.

oh and stop jumping from a public drink to public drunkeness again.

 

[editor]

You do realise, of course, that it's only because people cannot control themselves in public that these kind of rules need to be introduced?

Please list some recent examples of trouble caused by people drinking on the tube or shut the fuck up with your clueless moralising.
Thanks.

 

[untethered]

So if I have one drink now I'm going to be treated as a drunkard?

I neither said nor implied any such thing.

I suppose it might depend on how big your "one drink" is, though.

 

[christonabike]

It's become a bit us v them

us: want a quiet drink on the train, and to let London Transport Police enforce already existing laws

them: killjoy twats who just love a nanny state that tells people what to do, especially if they don't like it themselves

 

[STFC]

You may be so devoid in self confidence that the thought of how you are percieved by strangers on the tube ranks as significant, but many people are not.

Yes, that must be it.

 

[ajdown]

You know a mass drinkathon in defiance aint a bad idea...

Don't come whining to us then when you get slapped with an £80 fixed penalty notice, or whatever they decide to do for people who are breaking the law.

 

[dream_girl]

Whilst 'surrounded' probably has different definitions, how about "the last time I was out on a bus after 9pm"?

alcoholics? do you know they were alcoholics?

 

[editor]

Whilst 'surrounded' probably has different definitions, how about "the last time I was out on a bus after 9pm"?

No, tube journey please. Time and date. You are aware that you might also be 'surrounded by alcoholics' in a wide variety of public situations too?

Like the office, pub, cinema, post office queues, motor bike rallies, that kind of thing...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's become a bit us v them

us: want a quiet drink on the train, and to let London Transport Police enforce already exixting laws

them: killjoy twats who just love a nanny state that tells people what to do, especially if they don't like it themselves

That's why it'll be a news story, the media are into this can bojo reach out to the inner city, the 'inner city fight back' angle could gain traction.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Don't come whining to us then when you get slapped with an £80 fixed penalty notice, or whatever they decide to do for people who are breaking the law.

I'd be too pissed to care at that point.

 

[ajdown]

Shit country, noisy city, stressful job, malfunctioning public transport. And Boris Johnson is mayor. I don't think a long hard look is necessary, it's obvious why I want a drink at the end of a long day at work.

If you don't like the country or the city, you're more than free to move elsewhere. Nobody is stopping you.

Out of interest, what does your 'hard day at work' consist of?

 

[laptop]

motor bike rallies, that kind of thing...

 

[QueenOfGoths]

But isn't that the problem? No-one cares what anyone else thinks any more.

We live in a shameless society where being drunk in public is considered, quite wrongly, to be no-one else's business.

Thank goodness that we now have a common sense mayor that cares about such things.

If the person who is drunk is harming no one, getting in no ones way etc.. then it is no ones business.

I am no binge drinker - too bloody old for that - but I object to some fucker telling me when and where I can have a drink.

And I object more to some fucker wasting public money on the enforecment of banning booze somewhere i.e. on the tube/buses, where it really isn't a problem.

 

[DotCommunist]

Um... you do not speak for me. Therefore this 'community activist site' does not 'oppose' something that is long overdue.

You do realise, of course, that it's only because people cannot control themselves in public that these kind of rules need to be introduced?

you know what happens when we allow the very worst elements of our society to be held up as reasons for new rules laws and regulations? we go baa! baa! as we stroll into the direction the gov want. Our stupidity and their manipulation.

 

[dream_girl]

I neither said nor implied any such thing.

I suppose it might depend on how big your "one drink" is, though.

you did imply such a thing - by supporting this ban on drinking and justifying it on the basis that it combats drunkards. Well, lets ban dogs because it will successfully tackle the socially unacceptable practice of allowing dogs to shit on the pavement.

Hey ban cyclists too because a few ride on the pavement.

Hmmm...what else can we ban. all in the cause of law and order you understand.

 

[untethered]

Why should we care what strangers think?

Because sensitivity and reciprocity is the foundation of civility.

why am I bothering to debate this with you,?

Everyone has to learn somewhere.

you'd probably be horrified by my attire you relic.

I suspect I would.

oh and stop jumping from a public drink to public drunkeness again.

I'm not, but there is clearly a relationship between the two.

Regardless of the state of inebritation, the act of drinking may be perceived by many as unwelcome and intimidating in a place that doesn't afford easy egress.