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This Candlelight Records label has a bit of a reputation for being willing to sign up openly neo-nazi groups so keep an eye open for anyone signed to them. Winterfylleth and Wodensthrone are two from the UK that are dodgiest but there's loads of others, Zyklon are on this label ffs
 
This Candlelight Records label has a bit of a reputation for being willing to sign up openly neo-nazi groups so keep an eye open for anyone signed to them. Winterfylleth and Wodensthrone are two from the UK that are dodgiest but there's loads of others, Zyklon are on this label ffs
Crap, I didn't know that. I was at their big festie thing there a couple of months back, and I was starting to get the impression they were a cool label. Winterfylleth played that, but on a night I wasn't there. Goddamn BM minefield!
 
I had a tape of theirs years ago that I got rid of because I found the lyrics so painfully crap. They weren't really metal though, were they (unless they are now)? Maybe this is why I like listening to people singing indecipherably in languages I don't understand these days.
 
Crap, I didn't know that. I was at their big festie thing there a couple of months back, and I was starting to get the impression they were a cool label. Winterfylleth played that, but on a night I wasn't there. Goddamn BM minefield!

Winterfylleth are 100% nazi scum. Wodensthrone are no better. Here's the current drummer from Winterfylleth proving how he's definitely not a Nazi.

Loads more where that came from.Nazi Fool.jpg
 
Winterfylleth are 100% nazi scum. Wodensthrone are no better.
Well I won't be listening to Winterfylleth then.

I thought they were alright since I've seen them mentioned quite a bit in Terroriser, and that mag generally disparages out and proud nazis. Oh well.

It's pretty easy to guess what types the other lads are from their name.
 
Well I won't be listening to Winterfylleth then.

I thought they were alright since I've seen them mentioned quite a bit in Terroriser, and that mag generally disparages out and proud nazis. Oh well.

It's pretty easy to guess what types the other lads are from their name.

yeah Wodensthrone is a bit of a giveaway isn't it. And it's Richard Brass who's in Wodensthrone*, who along with Chris Westby had to leave Winterfylleth a couple of years ago after they started a "noise" type music project of Adolf Hitler's speeches set to white noise and the sounds of marching. Richard and Chris had to leave, coz they got cancelled from some festival they were supposed to be playing in manc a few years ago, but the whole band's racist.

Richard's the ideological one iirc. Used to campaign for the English Democrats. Chris I know less about, isn't involved in politics but by all accounts he's just an easily led sad act, pitiful character. I found out about it because they were developing a following from the Blood and Honour scene, actually a group called the British Freedom Fighters headed by a longstanding neo-nazi Wigan Mike, and they all kept turning up at metal nights at manchester where Winterfylleth were playing.

Chris, being stupid, let the cat out of the bag by posting this shit over his Myspace, which then got circulated through some of the anti-fascist people I knew at the time. See for yourself. They all share these beleifs but Chris was the only one fucking stupid enough to think they could openly say it. Very naive boy

* Except he goes by the name of Wildeþrýð in that band iirc. Sly fucker.
 
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Part 1

MY BELIEFS
Current mood:disappointed
Due to our ironic cancelation at Cancel Fest this Sunday, and alot of recent controversy, and rumour's circulating on "I <3 Manchester Music" forum, I feel like I should help clear up alot of things, and shed some light on my own beliefs. On the forum there is a thread regarding Winterfylleth and it's members beliefs (spilling over 10 pages at the moment), branding the band and it's members (including myself) as bigots, racists, Nazis, BNP e.t.c. The thread can be found here: http://www.ilovemanchestermusic.co.uk/foru...?showtopic=7714
http://www.ilovemanchestermusic.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=7714&st=200


I am not going to quote and defend every part of the thread relating to the band as the band’s message is clear, innocent and honest to all those who read our lyrics, interviews, and other literature and speak to US. However I will defend myself and any personal attacks here.

There is a comment by “Rémi”: “I think what I really want now is ChrisN to explain to all of us (for the ones who don't know) what the "wpww" and the "14w" in the general interests section of his bassplayer's Myspace stand for.”

Well considering I am the bass player I will explain. Firstly, WPWW stands for “White Pride World Wide”, I STRONGLY believe in this, as I believe EVERYONE of every colour, creed and culture should be proud of their race and what it has achieved. I realise this slogan to some ill-informed people may read “White Power” or “Race Hate”, and maybe even those who actually put the slogan together have more extreme “unsavoury” opinions, I don’t know. What I do know, and what I take from this phrase is honest. Everyone should be proud. I am not inciting racial hatred, I am displaying my pride. I am totally aware of what some White Nationalists believe and that they use phrases like this for more ‘extreme purposes’ but for atleast my interpretation of it is personal and means no harm. “Black Pride” e.t.c. is accepted, and fair enough, so it should be, but why is White pride not? In a world where the White man is now a minority, especially in his homeland I feel it is totally acceptable and harmless to display my pride. If people want to assume that I am inciting hatred, then that is their own silly, ignorant misinterpretation. If you want to look for hate literature, you should turn to the Qu’ran? A book full of hate speech against non-Muslim‘s, yet we have to put up with them integrating Islam into this country . Here are a few examples of TRUE hate that everyone seems to overlook and ignore.

“Far from teaching universal love, the Qur'an incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture. Naturally, the harsh treatment of non-believers by Muslims is encouraged as well.”

The Qur’an dehumanizes non-Muslims
and says that they are “vile animals”

The Qur’an distinguishes Muslims from non-Muslims
and establishes a hierarchy of relative worth

The Qur’an says that Allah does NOT love unbelievers

The Qur’an says that non-Muslims are
destined for eternal torture in Hell

If you are a non-Muslim like myself, living in England, a country now forced to adopt Islam and the Muslim population, surely what Islam preaches against YOU is a much more sinister and worrying prospect. Yet, you all more intent on making assumptions about myself and my pride and my hatred that doesn‘t exist. It’s quite worrying how ignorant a lot of you really are, and you have no idea what the real ‘threat’ is.
 
Part 2

“14w” regards to the 14 words coined by David Lane. David Lane was an American White Nationalist leader and a founding member of The Order. The 14 words read: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children” Again, this phrase was made by someone with more extreme views than myself. However, just as the same with “WPWW” I feel the 14 words, in my personal interpretation are about pride for one’s race, and the continuation of its bloodline. Of course I realise that this phrase is linked with neo-Nazism and other extreme views, views that I do not agree with. What I take from the 14 words, again is personal to me. Every race should be proud and want to preserve it’s pure bloodline, if you feel this incites hatred, again, your sorely mistaken, or atleast in my opinion and usage of the 14 words.

In this thread, it also begins to mention “RE1ST4NCE” and its extreme nature. Re1st4nce was an anonymous project (until now) created by myself and fellow band mate-Richard. It is a noise art project, consisting of the manipulation of frequencies to make incredibly distorted harsh noise. Noise itself was generally conceived by a group of people called “The Futurists”, and is usually closely regarded with neo-Nazism. The reason for Res1st4nce’s existence is for my and Richard’s love of the noise genre and how extreme it is. Res1st4nce features sound samples of speech’s by Hitler and also uses modified samples of Third Reich marching bands. We use these because it links to the genre and its extreme nature and sound, and because we know the offence and controversy it would cause. That does not mean we endorse or follow such unsavoury views, politics and thoughts. It is literally there to offend, scare and shock like so many other artists of all other beliefs and ideals do too. Do you really think myself and Richard were serious when typing out our ‘influences’, naming such things as “TERRORISM”? We were laughing then and laughing now. It’s intention was to shock, and it seems to have done just that. We know it would of offended people and we didn’t care. There are thing’s all over and out there with similar intentions of causing total controversy, and this was our way of achieving that uproar. We don’t plan on making any money, taking it live, and especially not taking it seriously. Although we are greatly interested in the subjects Res1st4nce flirts with, we do not stand for or endorse neo-Nazism or those politics. We are interested in the extreme and reactions.

Now that I feel I have explained myself totally with regards to these 2 phrases that I use and will continue to use. I will now explain my actual other beliefs on similar topics for all those that are ‘unaware’ of my stance and thoughts.

I consider myself to be a Nationalist, I am proud of being White also, so maybe you’d like to label me as a White Nationalist. I realise that term could ‘shock’ some people who do not know me, considering what they seem to assume with any form of pride, and I totally understand what some forms of White Nationalism are about, but you would be ignorant to assume that for every White Nationalist, including myself. I consider myself to be English, not British nor European. This world was built on nations, and I believe and fight for the best interests of my nation and my countrymen. I am all for tradition, heritage and culture and the preservation of mine just like I believe every other race and nation should be proud of there own, and this is what I mean by my “interests” as “RACE, NATION, ANIMAL LIBERATION” (the latter with regards to animal rights/veganism). I am proud and think everyone else should be also. You may think there is no point, or it doesn’t mean anything, well ok, that is your opinion and this is mine. If you feel it incites hatred then you are wrong to assume that, as I don’t hate any other race or nation-I respect them.

I am however against the fascism of multiculturalism, and how we are all forced together, blurring our cultures, and forgetting our OWN traditions while adopting everyone else’s, to accommodate for them. The only way ‘multiculturalism’ will ever work is through separatism in my eyes. If all cultures are separated, they are then defined. When I say multiculturalism doesn’t work, that doesn’t mean I think other races can’t live together. I love nothing more than going to another country and being lost in another culture and its traditions, I do not want to go to another country and have them accommodate for me and change their way’s of life and living for my benefit. Everyone should be proud of their ancestry, culture and tradition and should be active in preserving it. This is why I am completely against the Euro and the European Union, I don’t agree with merging borders and nations, to create a ‘super state’, forgetting individual nations and interests. I want to go to Germany to know I am in Germany, I want to go to Ireland to know that I am in Ireland, I want to live in England, and know I am in England, not Britain and not Europe. This may seem silly, and pointless to some people that don’t care, but I do care and it’s my passion, opinion and belief which we are all entitled too. I don’t attack other people’s beliefs so why attack my innocent ones?

I do not hate other races or cultures, what I hate is mono-theistic religions. I hate EVERYTHING Islam and Judaism stands for and how we have to accommodate for their ways and beliefs. I do not respect Judaism or Islam at all and I will not budge for them. I realise Christianity was also born in the desert and is linked with these other atrocious religions, and I do not agree with some of its beliefs, but Christianity is not a massive threat to this country or myself, although I totally resent it being the reason for abolishing Paganism, and the old ways. I see myself more as a spiritualist. Not a practicing one, but in the sense that I do believe in a creator of some form, and like to appreciate things on a spiritual level instead of a scientific one. The magic and enchantment of life has been crushed by science, a religion itself which proves nothing, its just a means of helping to describe natural occurrences. I believe nature is above all.

What may come as a surprise to many of you is that I appreciate freedom, and ability to do what you want, where you want and when you want, as a human with your short time on this Earth. However this ideal is not realistic, especially in today’s society, as freedom doesn’t coincide with politics and religion which have been the dominant force’s on this Earth for thousands of years as it still is today. As much as I appreciate freedom, without nations and laws, orders and hierarchy’s this world we have built and continue to build will crumble, a good thing you may think but it is not sensible thinking.

To reiterate, I do not hate other races or cultures, I respect them totally. What I do hate is controlling, dominating and poison religions and the fact that this beautiful country is being shaped and changed to accommodate these. I hate the fact that there are no proud people out there anymore. I do not endorse or agree with Nazism, war, violence, the BNP, National Front, or hatred of other races and anything like that I believe in the spirit of Albion, the old ways, history, traditions, pride and peace. Anyone who thinks I am serious when I jokingly ‘Sieg Heil’ or end silly comments with “88” or anything like that, obviously does not know me and that anything with regards to Nazism I am joking about, and being daft. I realise this is silly and careless and may offend some people but drunken flirts with Nazism is myself and my friends taking the piss, because it is extreme and think it is humorous seeing people’s reactions. From all this, I have learnt that I should maybe be more reserved, and appreciate that other people do not know me or my beliefs, and using phrases such as wpww may give out the wrong message about myself to some people.

Myself and the band don’t cause any trouble. We fly the St. Georges cross at our shows because we love England, not because we hate other people, because we don’t and it is wrong to assume that of us. We want to remind people of their English history, warriors who have fell in battle who have died for this country. We tell tales of folklore and legend and pay tribute to our ancestors. If you want to label that as racist or NSBM then whatever, there is nothing we can do to stop your ignorant thoughts.

I may update this blog soon if anymore issues arise or people have any more questions with regards to my beliefs.

Best regards,
 
If you like white kids so much Winterfillet, have a few. You won't be able to prevent them having mixed race kids of their own though :)

How about Gorgoroth? (wouldn't wear a tshirt of them in front of my animal rights mates, obviously)
How about Marduk?
 
If you like white kids so much Winterfillet, have a few. You won't be able to prevent them having mixed race kids of their own though :)

How about Gorgoroth? (wouldn't wear a tshirt of them in front of my animal rights mates, obviously)
How about Marduk?
Gorgoroth are a bit suspect - main man is an avowed "theistic Satanist", meaning he believes in Satan as existing, the plonker. Don't think they're fash as such - the main man has said he's not on with racism. One ex-member, Gaahl, came out as gay!
 
Gorgoroth are a bit suspect - main man is an avowed "theistic Satanist", meaning he believes in Satan as existing, the plonker. Don't think they're fash as such - the main man has said he's not on with racism. One ex-member, Gaahl, came out as gay!
Gaahl, he's in that folky band now isn't he? They play obsolete instruments from hundreds of years ago. I think they're playing London soon. Sounds totally dodge (in the non-political sense).
 
Gaahl, he's in that folky band now isn't he? They play obsolete instruments from hundreds of years ago. I think they're playing London soon. Sounds totally dodge (in the non-political sense).
I wouldn't have the first clue what he's up to tbh :)
 
Or a frog's leg or an escargot. Whatever is the most humiliating.

That, or hopefully he'll get himself banged up again and we can all forget about him.
 
I think he's got some more evil shit up his sleeve unfortunately. The man's completely fucked in the head.
 
Any good?
Terroriser said of them (in general, not this gig) that their shows are more like a religious experience or ceremony than a concert. No thanks, I'll have some metal, please.

I think the LPs are great and can imagine them being something spectacular and intense live - didn't go to the QEH gig though. Bit less keen on them after reading a bit about this Gaahl bloke to be honest. Rune based stuff is normally pretty dodgy to start with.
 
I think the LPs are great and can imagine them being something spectacular and intense live - didn't go to the QEH gig though. Bit less keen on them after reading a bit about this Gaahl bloke to be honest. Rune based stuff is normally pretty dodgy to start with.
His name means "insane" in Norwegian :rolleyes::facepalm: spelled funny like. I'll check this Wardruna thing out then.
 
Why should they have the runes, though? Sound people should take them back. They're not inherently evil, then again I'm sounding a bit like those "reclaim the swastika" people, and I think they're nutters.

I might give this band a listen now that you've said this. Their press shoots posing with mad, elven looking instruments put me right off.
 
I've heard some bad rumours about Gaahl, but I won't repeat them online. I think it's possible the person telling me them was making them up to big up Gorgoroth to me.
 
I think the LPs are great
Listened to Yggdrasil this week. What a long album! It took me two commutes to get through, when your average Gorgoroth offering is short and sweet and lasts one commute. This is the first time I've listened to non-metal on my ipod in many months. It's great though. It reminded me of certain Irish folk, and Bathory's viking* stuff, although it did skirt slightly close to that most mystical and dolphiny band of the 90s, Enigma, in some parts! The people comparing it to a religious experience put me off because that made me think it would be dirge-like. It's a lot more lively than I expected. Now that I've heard them I realise the religious experience meant was not the one I was imagining but rather the type where you dance around in a circle to repetitive drums until you go into a trance. So cheers for the heads up, Butchers!

*I understand both Bathory and Wardruna don't like their stuff being labelled "viking".
 
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