Big Brother

[kyser_soze]

As opposed to 'Giles will find it tres hilare' or course - nothing like taking the piss and denigrating a 'typical' 'posh' name.

Riiiiight.

 

[kropotkin]

Do you think there is equivalency between a white guy calling a black guy a "nigger" and a black guy calling a white guy "whitey"?

Is "Paki" the same as "Brit"?

 

[marshall]

Jay out Friday.

Victor ('Number 6 in the House, Number 1 in your Hearts') to win.

 

[Masseuse]

As opposed to 'Giles will find it tres hilare' or course - nothing like taking the piss and denigrating a 'typical' 'posh' name.

No, actually it is not the same. Posh rich people have a lot fucking going for them in our society. What with being posh, going to the right schools, getting a head start on everyone else in life, never having to worry about the bills and having the money to do as they damn well please. A little gentle joshing of the upper classes is a healthy thing to indulge in. Or should we be tugging our fucking forelocks?

People who live on council estates have a tough fucking time of it. Their lives will be hard, they live in an environment which is not exactly uplifting to the soul, they have jobs which pay fucking nothing or they are on measly benefits which they are then berated for claiming while the posh rich fuckers get away with their tax breaks with no such stigma. So in addition to being bottom of the pile and generally shat upon in society I think it's a bit much to stamp on them a bit more and to use "council" as a term of abuse.

 

[Rollem]

"Council face" was what I objected to.

Fucking arseholes on here fucking using the word "council" to denigrate someone. It's fucking pathetic.

i took it as "council face lift" meaning she ties her ponytails tight to get a cheap "face lift" effect....

 

[Masseuse]

i took it as "council face lift" meaning she ties her ponytails tight to get a cheap "face lift" effect....

Perhaps that is indeed what he meant. Which still makes him a tart.

 

[Rollem]

People who live on council estates have a tough fucking time of it. Their lives will be hard, they live in an environment which is not exactly uplifting to the soul, they have jobs which pay fucking nothing or they are on measly benefits which they are then berated for claiming while the posh rich fuckers get away with their tax breaks with no such stigma. So in addition to being bottom of the pile and generally shat upon in society I think it's a bit much to stamp on them a bit more and to use "council" as a term of abuse.

hey! not all council estsates are the same. not all council estate dwellers are in shite job or on benefits either. dont blanket sweep

agree about the use of "council" as abuse though. not on

"council and proud"

 

[kropotkin]

If he meant the former, then he was being a twat. If the latter then he is a funny twat.

 

[chegrimandi]

you know it is an odd day on urban when it all kicks off on the BB thread......

 

[kropotkin]

I'd say it was back to normal again!

 

[Corax]

Seeing as my little piss-take has become part of a "heated debate":

For the record, a lot of the people on here (if their 'online personas' are to be believed... ) would probably regard me as posh, seeing as I talk proper and know sums.

Red'n'black's probably got me on his list...


But y'know what? I don't give a fuck.




and I reckon the recent broadband poll demonstrates nicely just how poverty stricken the average urbanite's life is...

 

[miss direct]

Seeing as my little piss-take has become part of a "heated debate":

For the record, a lot of the people on here (if their 'online personas' are to be believed... ) would probably regard me as posh, seeing as I talk proper and know sums.

Red'n'black's probably got me on his list...


But y'know what? I don't give a fuck.




and I reckon the recent broadband poll demonstrates nicely just how poverty stricken the average urbanite's life is...

What does having broadband have to do with living in council housing?

 

[chegrimandi]

What does having broadband have to do with living in council housing?

I think the inferrence is that broadband aint cheap....

 

[Masseuse]

hey! not all council estsates are the same. not all council estate dwellers are in shite job or on benefits either. dont blanket sweep

agree about the use of "coucnil" as abuse though.

"council and proud"

I'm ex council too and have lived on various different types of estates. I know I'm generalising, obviously. But it is a fact that if you live on a council estate you are probably on significantly less earnings than most and more likely to be on benefits. Which is why you need to be housed on a council estate.

Naturally this won't apply to everyone, and I'm sure some sad bastard will come up with the "family of 17 claiming £200 grand of benefits" bullshit sooner or later. But I don't think it's too much of a generalisation to say that posh rich people are on the top of the pile in society, and council dwellers are, by and large, on the bottom of the heap.

 

[kyser_soze]

Nope, nopt convinced. I've never bought into the 'it's ok to rip the piss out of one group and not another' argument and I too was bought up on a council estate, in a one parent family in the 70s so I know it can be shitty and tough.

Still doesn't justify one rule for one and one for another.

And Krop - if a black man started calling me 'honkey' or 'white boy' I'd take it the same way they would if I started saying 'Hey kaffir' or 'nigger'.

 

[Masseuse]

Still doesn't justify one rule for one and one for another.

Well fuck me, we living in an egalitarian society all of a sudden? I think it does bloody well justify a separate set of rules. Yes, I think it's fucking well fine to rip the piss out of the rich and not the poor. Unfair? So fucking what?

And Krop - if a black man started calling me 'honkey' or 'white boy' I'd take it the same way they would if I started saying 'Hey kaffir' or 'nigger'.

Fucking liar.

Anyone shagged on BB again then?

 

[kropotkin]

Kyser: this is my last post on the topic on this thread: derailing and all that. But you are restricting the terms of debate to a simple interaction between two people at one point in time. That is simply not the case. The term carries with it alot of associated information and inferences- which is why Brith and Paki are qualitatively different terms- despie both being contractions of a country name.
The rich denigrating the poor reinforce that stratification, but the converse is not true.

 

[kyser_soze]

Fucking liar.

Not entirely - it's still fucking offensive.

And I've always been equal opportunity when it comes to ripping the piss out of people.

 

[miss direct]

I think the inferrence is that broadband aint cheap....

It's not that expensive. People on council estates do have money, some choose to spend it on going to the pub, some have broadband or sky. And yes, I have lived on 2 different estates.

 

[Corax]

Nope, nopt convinced. I've never bought into the 'it's ok to rip the piss out of one group and not another' argument

Agreed, but I took the piss out of Shell for the way she speaks and her cosseted attitude. No insult to 'posh people' in general unless they share those things. In which case they shouldn't, cos it gets on people's tits...

There are some lovely posh peeps as well. I want Ben Fogle to stand for parliament.

'Council ' just seems to imply that just by being on a council estate you are somehow worthy of scorn, and thus denigrates an entire group rather than the targetted individual.

 

[chegrimandi]

It's not that expensive. People on council estates do have money, some choose to spend it on going to the pub, some have broadband or sky. And yes, I have lived on 2 different estates.

corax saying that not me!

 

[Corax]

It's not that expensive. People on council estates do have money, some choose to spend it on going to the pub, some have broadband or sky. And yes, I have lived on 2 different estates.

If you say so. All I know is that I'm not on benefit and I couldn't afford it until the recent price drop.

 

[miss direct]

corax saying that not me!

I know that but I didn't like the inferrence that if you live in council housing that you are automatically poor! Or that if you have broadband you are wealthy!

 

[Rollem]

does michelle live on a council estate then?

 

[Masseuse]

does michelle live on a council estate then?

I don't know, and neither does anyone else probably.

That's the point - she's a girl with a northern accent who wears skimpy clothes, is a bit thick, and has sex.

So council is deemed a fitting adjective to describe her. By some folk. Cos obviously council people are all at it like rabbits and can't spell. Which is funny, as I know some monumentally rich people who are stupid as fuck and can't keep their knickers on for a second. But do they get labelled stupid slappers?

 

[miss direct]

I don't know, and neither does anyone else probably.

That's the point - she's a girl with a northern accent who wears skimpy clothes, is a bit thick, and has sex.

So council is deemed a fitting adjective to describe her. By some folk. Cos obviously council people are all at it like rabbits and can't spell. Which is funny, as I know some monumentally rich people who are stupid as fuck and can't keep their knickers on for a second. But do they get labelled stupid slappers?

yes, what about all those (SH)It girls?

 

[Rollem]

Which is funny, as I know some monumentally rich people who are stupid as fuck and can't keep their knickers on for a second. But do they get labelled stupid slappers?

if they went on BB and behaved like michelle, probably, yes...........


anyway, back to the shite tv show....i have to say i enjoyed nadia's pole dance the best. she had the foresight to make it comical with the water being sprayed, genius that was..and bloody hilarious (not sure it was intended to be but hey!) the other two were just trying too hard to be "sexaaaay!

 

[kyser_soze]

The big irony here is that trawling back thru the thread I've defended 'Mich' from 'dim northen bint/slag/slapper' comments a few times...

 

[Buddy Bradley]

It's all gone a bit off-topic, innit?

I knew what he meant - would have said "Essex facelift" mesel', like. Also think she looks like Vicky Pollard in a brunette wig.

 

[Siouxsie]

I loved my council flat, but sadly had to move out to live nearer work.

My broadband is only £17.99 a month....nothing really, about the same as a decent meal out.

Anyway, I think there was sex again last night, the live cam turned off though, they must be saving 'the feet and toenails' for tonights hilights...Corax, get your video ready .