Benefit myths and those who fall for them

[_angel_]

A Horse! A Horse! My Benefits For A Horse!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9880720/Unemployed-mother-of-11-is-keeping-horse.html

Would they care if people on benefits had cats and dogs, they're expensive too?

Incidentally horse keeping seems to have made a come back in poor areas. See them about everywhere in suburban estates in Leeds.

 

[Zabo]

I don't know because I'm channelling Bill Hicks at the moment. Hell, if he was still alive he'd have so much to bite at. Much missed.

Maybe Hilary Mantel could fill the gap with a bit of tuition and street talk?

 

[weepiper]

Would they care if people on benefits had cats and dogs, they're expensive too?

Incidentally horse keeping seems to have made a come back in poor areas. See them about everywhere in suburban estates in Leeds.

Plenty of people spend £200 a month (a figure which the stable hand has pulled out of his arse anyway, apparently...) on running a car, if you divide mot/insurance/petrol/loan repayments etc etc over a year

 

[_angel_]

Plenty of people spend £200 a month (a figure which the stable hand has pulled out of his arse anyway, apparently...) on running a car, if you divide mot/insurance/petrol/loan repayments etc etc over a year

Obviously if you can run a car on benefits that's also proof they're too much (I think it's probably proof you can walk on water).

 

[Zabo]

I like.

 

[rosecore]

In this new documentary series (3 x 60mins) Channel 5 meets the Dole Kings and Queens who claim millions every year for housing and family support. Living lives of luxury that many of us can only dream of, these Super Scroungers are the poster families for everything that many people believe is wrong with benefits.

Are these people to blame, dedicating their time to getting more and more out of the state? Or are they merely taking advantage of an inadequate system that needs a radical overhaul? In Super Scroungers we’ll meet the people who make it their business NOT to work.

Last year it emerged that at least 100 families receiving housing benefit were living in luxury homes on hand-outs that could fund £1,000,000 mortgages. More than 30 of those families were being given £1,500 a week - more than three times the national average wage. Of the 100 families, 60 have their rent paid by the state to the value of £5,000 a month according to the Department for Work and Pensions.

Super Scroungers was commissioned by Ben Frow, Channel 5 Director of Programmes and will be made by Channel 5 Productions. Ben Frow, Channel 5 Director of Programmes said “This is a topic at the top of the news agenda so it’s the perfect time for Channel 5 to delve into the subject.”

Further information Nick Caley 0207 098 2802

http://about.channel5.com/node/1777

How do they get away with this shit? It has been well established that over 80% of housing benefits claims are for under £100 a week.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

oh FFS, that's all we need

 

[weepiper]

http://about.channel5.com/node/1777

How do they get away with this shit? It has been well established that over 80% of housing benefits claims are for under £100 a week.

Funny how we never get a series meeting the 20 year old living on £56.25 a week, eh.

 

[_angel_]

http://about.channel5.com/node/1777

How do they get away with this shit? It has been well established that over 80% of housing benefits claims are for under £100 a week.

Altho it's total horseshit, at least my money isn't going into this crap unlike all the BBC shite.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Super Scroungers was commissioned by Ben Frow, Channel 5 Director of Programmes and will be made by Channel 5 Productions. Ben Frow, Channel 5 Director of Programmes said “This is a topic at the top of the news agenda so it’s the perfect time for Channel 5 to delve into the subject.”

I wonder if Ben Frow has buddies in Government who one day over lunch at Parliament said "I've got a great idea for a mini-series"

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I don't know because I'm channelling Bill Hicks at the moment. Hell, if he was still alive he'd have so much to bite at. Much missed.

If Bill Hicks were still alive he'd be a rabid 9/11 conspiraloon.

http://thequietus.com/articles/11439-why-i-hate-the-cult-of-bill-hicks

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[Minnie_the_Minx]

FFS

Look at this shit being spouted by the DM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Rush-handouts-weeks-theyre-phased-out.html

 

[stuff_it]

Would they care if people on benefits had cats and dogs, they're expensive too?

Incidentally horse keeping seems to have made a come back in poor areas. See them about everywhere in suburban estates in Leeds.

Yes it has. Delicious horse.

I'm also pretty sure in another article it's made clear that her daughter works part time to pay for hew own horse and wants to make a career of it.

 

[William of Walworth]

Incidentally horse keeping seems to have made a come back in poor areas. See them about everywhere in suburban estates in Leeds.

I know this is a side issue, but yes I've noticed that around Swansea too. There's a fair number of horses up near the Clase estate, one of the least well off areas.

 

[William of Walworth]

I suspect fetivaldeb will make herself watch that Channel 5 programme for professional reasons, but I fully intend to boycott it myself. For the sake of my own mental wellbeing

 

[xenon]

FFS

Look at this shit being spouted by the DM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Rush-handouts-weeks-theyre-phased-out.html

Sweets.
FFS.

The way they've spoken about DLA is as if you just send a form off and that's it. Never mind that you often don't get the bennefit you're actually entitled to first off, if you make one slight understatement or miss interpret one of the many questions on the form. Or you for reasons of pride, don't mention you do actually need help with XYZ And isn't it appropriate to offer indephinat awards where quite clearly someone's condition or disability isn't going to improve.

e2a I know you know all that Minnie. Just spouting off here.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

spout away xenon

 

[_angel_]

No I can't read that on the day a letter came about this for my younger son who won't even be 16 for six years. There'll be sending one about the older one who will be and I'm not looking forward to some dick head assessor lying about him and what he can and can't do ffs.
can't even read that or the comments because I might go out and kill someone.

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://about.channel5.com/node/1777

How do they get away with this shit? It has been well established that over 80% of housing benefits claims are for under £100 a week.

Richard Desmond owns Channel 5, so it's entirely consistent for Channel 5 to spout the same uninformed lies and misinformation as Desmond's Express newspapers do. It also means that they can cross-reinforce their stories - C5 news reporting "..it was reported in the print media today that...", without elucidating that the print media in question was a paper owned by the owner of the channel, and vice versa.

 

[_angel_]

It's most likely to be those on the lower DLA levels who get shafted but of course you never can trust them to make the right decisions.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Britain on Benefits tonight on Channel 4 - 8.00pm (25/2/2013)

The Disability Living Allowance helps more than three million people lead useful lives. It pays for transport and carers, meaning that disabled people can work and lead independent lives.

But the benefit bill has to be cut, and the government plans to take more than half a million claimants off DLA. What will that mean for those who depend on it?

Talking to fellow Paralympians, disabled army veterans and disabled people in work, wheelchair basketball ace Ade Adepitan goes in search of answers, and asks if this hugely ambitious and expensive plan to reassess disabled people has been properly thought through.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Britain on Benefits tonight on Channel 4 - 8.00pm (25/2/2013)

reminder bump

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

http://about.channel5.com/node/1777

How do they get away with this shit? It has been well established that over 80% of housing benefits claims are for under £100 a week.

So whilst doing a Super Scrounger programme, Channel 5 are also wanting to speak to people re: the bedroom tax

Scope charity ‏@scope
Do you think you are going to be hit by the 'bedroom tax'? Channel 5 News is looking to speak you. Email warren.kirwan@scope.org.uk
Followed by Minister Dis Ppl and 2 others

 

[savoloysam]

If Bill Hicks were still alive he'd be a rabid 9/11 conspiraloon.

http://thequietus.com/articles/11439-why-i-hate-the-cult-of-bill-hicks

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The comments section in that article sums up that school boy blog for what it is. Still it's nice to see somebody at least try to be objective about the late great goat boy.

 

[butchersapron]

Look at it this way - if you look at social attitudes towards benefit claimants 10 or 20 years ago, you will find that they are markedly different to how they are now.

i don't think the attitudes are markedly different in that timeframe. I think benefit claimants have been stigmatised for over 20 years. The taunting of Liverpool football fans with "Sign on, sign on...You'll never got a job" has been going on for more than 20 years. The poorest people at my school whose families couldn't afford much for them were more likely to be picked on. I doubt the children at my school were much different than others around the country.

The main change in attitude is possibly due to the perceived increase in claimants and the perceived easy life they get as expressed in the OP which is leading to more resentment compared to feelings of superiority. I don't believe that the politicians have caused this change in attitude through propaganda.

Here's an example of the differences in attitude today from then - Labour voters increasingly turning against the poor, study says

Labour party supporters increasingly believe that welfare recipients are undeserving and that the welfare state encourages dependence, with a noticeable share saying that poverty is caused by a personal failing rather than a problem with society, a landmark study reveals

...

What the foundation seems to pinpoint is a major cultural shift. Almost half of Labour supporters – 47% – surveyed in 2011 said if benefits were not as generous, people would learn to stand on their own feet, up from 17% in 1987. Labour supporters also increasingly think that welfare recipients are undeserving – from 21% in 1987 to 31% in 2011. While the debates around welfare have shifted to the right, Labour supporters moved in greater numbers than those in other parties – with left-wing voters stressing personal agency and individual responsibility.

 

[_angel_]

Sorry couldn't really get much further than this guff:

Labour voters. Just 27% of the country's leading left-wing party voters

Labour left wing? Don't say the Guardian actually believe this shit?

 

[J Ed]

Here's an example of the differences in attitude today from then - Labour voters increasingly turning against the poor, study says

...and that is how cultural hegemony works.

 

[butchersapron]

...and that is how cultural hegemony works.

What's that and how does it work then?

 

[shagnasty]

The survey said they supported tackling child poverty.Poor children have poor parents,i think the reason they concentrate on child poverty is that children can't be demonised like their parents because even most callous can't blame the kids

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

...even most callous can't blame the kids

Give it time.