BBC - Owen Jones

[articul8]

I'm not ashamed at all, it's a sideways or even leftward move if anything.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not ashamed at all, it's a sideways or even leftward move if anything.

If you're not ashamed then say who it is and why it's a political move.

 

[articul8]

For one thing I'll be helping to edit and maintain a website that is dedicated to promoting news of strike action that is under the general media radar and resources for unions who are campaigning against attacks on workers rights. None of which is tied to the Labour party.

How is that not "political"?

 

[butchersapron]

For one thing I'll be helping to edit and maintain a website that is dedicated to promoting news of strike action that is under the general media radar and resources for unions who are campaigning against attacks on workers rights. None of which is tied to the Labour party.

How is that not "political"?

Yet you won't say who it is. Yet you won't say how you got the job. Why are you so ashamed? if it's not going to give those of us laughing at you and noting a wider rightward trend any political ammunition then why not say who and how?

And you're going to do Tim lezard out of a job into the bargain. Not that typing 'strike' into google news and changing the text of the results is that much of a job anyway.

 

[articul8]

Won't just be that Will cover the likes of the sparks, IWW/John Lewis, anti-blacklisting stuff. To be honest it will mean the unions pushing stuff our way too. It's based in McDonnell's office - and I got recommended by the RMT. Is that enough for you? Or should I flog myself and say 50 hail marys as penance?

 

[butchersapron]

So you're not ashamed then, Well done. 24 hours of ruddy bravery. Why/how did you get recommended by the RMT? Who in the RMT recommended you? You lot have this all openness well stiched up don't you?

 

[articul8]

I'll tell you what - when Verso pay for my life story you'll find it all out in minute details.

 

[butchersapron]

All tied up nice and tight.

 

[articul8]

Who is "you lot"?

 

[butchersapron]

Who is "you lot"?

I have a lot of respect for McDonnell, but don't like the Labourist clique around him.

Now you are the labourist clique around him. Well done again.

 

[butchersapron]

Inside and against the clique.

A pole of atraction within the clique.

 

[articul8]

I am not a "Labourist" - I still am critical of Labourists like the anti-takeover of Briefing crowd.

I'm a critic of Labourism in the school of Ralph Miliband and Leo Pantich. John wrote for Red Pepper on how Ralph Miliband's marxist analysis of politics and society was of far greater relevance than anything his sons or their circle were offering.

And for the record there's currently 3 people in the office - one Labour/LRC and two non-Labour.

 

[butchersapron]

The clique magically dissapeared when you joined it. Impressive.

 

[articul8]

There are tensions in the LRC orbit between a Labourist pull and a more outward looking pull. But everyone sees working in/against Labour as strategically important in the short-medium term.

 

[frogwoman]

"everyone"?

 

[butchersapron]

Joining labour, working for labour, voting labour, urging others to do the same, working to these ends is the counter-movement to labourist politics?

You're a loon.

 

[articul8]

everyone

people currently in the LRC. If they didn't recognise this they'd have left.

 

[articul8]

Joining labour, working for labour, voting labour, urging others to do the same, working to these ends is the counter-movement to labourist politics?

It needs tackling from both inside and outside.

 

[butchersapron]

people currently in the LRC. If they didn't recognise this they'd have left.

LRC working against labour? John Mcdonnell working against labour? You working against labour? You really are the most self-deluding person i've ever met.

 

[butchersapron]

It needs tackling from both inside and outside.

How is that in anyway a response to me listing the pro-labour politics of the group of people that you imagine constitute an anti-labour movement?

 

[articul8]

You really are the most self-deluding person i've ever met.

says someone who's never met me priceless

 

[articul8]

LRC working against labour? John Mcdonnell working against labour? You working against labour? You really are the most self-deluding person i've ever met.

in and against. Against the logic of Labourism as described by Miliband Sr.

 

[butchersapron]

says someone who's never met me priceless

Oh i've met you - i've met your shameless self-justifications, i've met the ludicrous logic used to support them, i've met the dishonesty required to keep posting them and so on. It seems that you're the only person who hasn't.

 

[butchersapron]

in and against. Against the logic of Labourism as described by Miliband Sr.

In and for. The same as Miliband ended up doing. The same as you are doing now and the labourist clique that you're now part of have done for years.

 

[articul8]

I'm not working for the Labour party. I'm working for the more militant trade unions.

 

[butchersapron]

You work for them in the sense of joining and voting for them, urging others to do the same, and seeking to channel politics through labour. Saying that you don't is not true. You do. Every single day.

Working for the more militant trade unions - lol, well done Joe Hill. I can't wait to see your union-news rip-off website.

 

[articul8]

it won't just be "my" site - and that's only part of my JD.

 

[butchersapron]

So this new bubble job, what else does it entail?

 

[articul8]

organising the NUJ parliamentary group, inc its response to Leveson for instance...

 

[butchersapron]

The response will be to stop people like this - however nice they might be personally - from getting parachuted into working class constituencies with which they have no links and are incapable of either understanding or representing. Personally, I think the idea of mandatory re-selection had a lot going for it.

The Labour left is incredibly poorly organised compared to the right wing. The LRC has better overall politics but is culturally trapped into a role as 1983 re-enactment society where everyone talks about composite 341 being remitted and all that horseshit which the CLPD loves too

All that horseshit has now become the new strategy.