winjer
holocene death beat
They had them at Heathrow too. The FIT aren't just there to watch, they're there to be seen to be watching.
Aug 27-Sept 2 Climate Camp returns to London
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Kanda
Diving wanker
So, stopping ANY coppers coming in is really going to work?
ANY organised event generally has to allow some sort of police presence, it's not private ground or anything. By denying any kind of presence aren't they shooting themselves in the foot?
This is not my stance that they 'should' be allowed on site regardless, I just think it may be wise and be good PR, why are they different to any other organised event on any other London space? Or are they worried that a couple of beat bobbies may get beaten to fuck if given access?
Not really converting anyone as my earlier moan points out it's about lifestyle activism rather than any meaningful attempt to get near the levers of power. It's the average Sun or Mail reader that needs their minds changing and Climate Camp probably only reinforces those people's stereotypes.
Except it's not his work. Not nearly monitor-spatteringly excitable or inarticulate enough...Give a Link...give people a choice to read your work not a carpet bomb to consider.
You have a right to be supportive...You have no Rights to be divisive.
IMO.
Interesting take on the camp. Its common land, but the Climate Camp has its own rules : http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/climate-camp-code-of-conduct/
I think the "no cops" will be the under-doing of the Camp. Either through the cops coming through regardless, or something nasty happening that singing Cum-By-Yar won't heal...
I think the "no cops" will be the under-doing of the Camp. Either through the cops coming through regardless, or something nasty happening that singing Cum-By-Yar won't heal...
That's also annoyed photgraphers like Marc Vallee who is usually very pro protest etc http://www.marcvallee.co.uk/blog/2009/08/climate-camp-2009-free-to-report/Interesting take on the camp. Its common land, but the Climate Camp has its own rules : http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/climate-camp-code-of-conduct/
I think the "no cops" will be the under-doing of the Camp. Either through the cops coming through regardless, or something nasty happening that singing Cum-By-Yar won't heal...
--Quoted from Marc Vallee's blog
"-- you will only be welcome between the hours 10am to 6pm. But don’t worry – you do get your very own climate camper – minder – to take care of you when you visit the camp. Who will make sure you do not photograph or film anything or anyone you should not – so no Cartier-Bresson decisive moments then."
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"The camp is trying to write its own narrative – pretty much in the same way that New Scotland Yard is spinning its media strategy as fact. As Vidal wrote in 2007, “It’s an easy step from trying to manipulate the press to manipulate information.”
The camps media access policy was “…agreed upon by consensus during the national climate camp planning meetings and the media team is given the mandate to work within those restrictions” – “restrictions” – how true."
--End quote
Unfortunately this gives the impression, however misleading it may be, that "there's something to hide" & that in itself will spin badly if, for example, the DM were to pick that as an article
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
Go on Old Bill give them what they want.
No different from the football hooligans of the 70/80s, now it's about "climate change" rather than Millwall.
Kanda
Diving wanker
Edited! Oops! Sorry !You've just linked the link you quoted
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Go on Old Bill give them what they want.
No different from the football hooligans of the 70/80s, now it's about "climate change" rather than Millwall.
So you're actually comparing climate campers with football hooligans? Tell me this is just a little joke, please.
How many climate campers and climate activists have you actually met, if you don't mind my asking.
Treacle Toes
Time
Whinge, whinge bloody whinge....all commoners are still free to enter and leave and roam on this common land and they have not enclosed the whole common either....they are trouble shooting as well you know...
Is that all you have.....seriously? If so, go down there and have a look before whinging like a whinge-bag. At least moan from a position of experience and knowledge, no?
You are Nick Ferrari and I don't even want to claim my five pounds, keep it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they are from the enclosing class therefore enclosing is what they do.
No you would not want me there I would only be cynical and grumpy plus travelling the length of the country to visit the camp when I could be doing some valuable work seems silly to me. Thanks for the invite though i hope it does make a difference even though im very skeptic
plus travelling the length of the country to visit the camp when I could be doing some valuable work seems silly to me. Thanks for the invite though i hope it does make a difference even though im very skepticAny chance the protesters could check out the common for the viability of a City of London type airport?
The City of London airport is great for short internal flights , but expensive.
If there were a few more such type airports in London, the price for internal flights to London could become cheaper, making quick cheap internal flights more open to the masses.
Better than landing at Heathrow and piss about with the tube or a taxi into town.
The City of London airport is great for short internal flights , but expensive.
If there were a few more such type airports in London, the price for internal flights to London could become cheaper, making quick cheap internal flights more open to the masses.
Better than landing at Heathrow and piss about with the tube or a taxi into town.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
according to monobot the people who make most use of budget airlines are the same people who travelled in the days before ryanair, which is to say mostly not the working class.
And there's CAA stats to back that up apparently, showing 80% of travellers are in the ABC1 group. The idea that budget flights are airborne council estates is aviation lobbyist fiction.
Meanwhile, the Economist has a good take on the Climate Camp, I think. They always have a little bit more wisdom than the regular press, and with that are always much less reactionary...
Intro: "The Climate Camp demonstration has become as much about the right to protest as it is about the environment."
Conclusion: "A report by HM Inspectorate of Constabulary, commissioned after the G20 episode, warned: “Protesters have a heightened sense of grievance…The art of successfully policing public protest has always been to minimise this transfer of grievance [towards the police].” The Met’s latest moves are encouraging, but it may be some time before those grievances are transferred back."
Economist: Policing Protest - An Ever Bigger Tent
Intro: "The Climate Camp demonstration has become as much about the right to protest as it is about the environment."
Conclusion: "A report by HM Inspectorate of Constabulary, commissioned after the G20 episode, warned: “Protesters have a heightened sense of grievance…The art of successfully policing public protest has always been to minimise this transfer of grievance [towards the police].” The Met’s latest moves are encouraging, but it may be some time before those grievances are transferred back."
Economist: Policing Protest - An Ever Bigger Tent
I use internal flights a fair bit, if you shop around you can get some good prices. BA is very expensive.
Many flights I have been on seem working class. Been on stag nights on flights, to London, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, very working class passengers.
They can work out a lot cheaper than trains, quicker, and you can have a few drinks at the airport. I really enjoy internal flights, twenty years ago they would have been out of my price range. Let's have more of them, cheap and regular.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Ironic perhaps, but there's a more boring practicality. The location they've chosen is exposed, and tents don't offer the security that - sadly - is needed when dossing down for the night in a city.
There's probably quite a few people who might like the idea of getting pissed up and then going for a bit a rumble and rob amongst "the hippies". It only takes a few visits to London free parties to see how things can turn out (not very nicely, being the answer).
Yes realized it was just an amusing by-product sounds like they need some police there.
Hopefully they'll remember what happened to Wat Tyler after he left Blackheath and toddled off up to Smithfields.
Once you've got rid of the "Origami for Activists" bits the Climate Camp programme seems just Yet Another Climate Conference. If they rented some rooms in a hotel and gave out some naff tea and biscuits they'd probably convert more people. Sitting in a field for a week will just preach to the converted and supply Journos with news-stories.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I would prefer better trains but until we have them then I will fly where I want.
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