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Lord Camomile said:
At 100m Bolt set three WRs; the first time by 0.02, then by 0.03, then a year later, in Berlin 2009, by 0.11.

In 200m he broke the WR the first time by 0.02, then again at Berlin 2009 by 0.11.

Those Berlin results are indeed a mighty large jump
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Yes indeed they were. In the history of sprinting they represent an outlandishly large jump, the most inherently remarkable performances ever.

If Ayana represented the kind of monetary windfall that Bolt did, she'd get a lot more than the benefit of the doubt. She'd be as untouchable as Bolt.
 
It's also worth remembering that just as certainly as Wang Junxia and Co were doping, almost all of the fastest 100 ever 100 metres times were set by dopers. They have both absolutely smashed the best times by the best dopers by huge margins.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
Sonia O'Sullivan on RTE was openly completely incredulous about Ayana's result. She straight up said she doesn't believe it for a second. O'Sullivan, remember, had a lot of time to contemplate those Chinese world records as she was watching the athletes setting them disappear around the corner ahead of her.

Then again it is quite funny that some of the same people who take the view that a woman running 29.17.45 for the 10,000 metres is inherently unbelievable will nonetheless be presenting a man who has run 9.58 for the 100 metres as the champion of clean sports doing combat with the human incarnation of doping in a few days time.
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To be fair, the percentage differential across all women's and men's events does show a steady 11% or 12% and Ayana's time is not outside that range.

There has been some discussion in recent years, suggesting women might be better at endurance events and, so, the differential might be expected to be lower than the norm but the 10k is even slightly higher.

This 2004 chart is a bit dated, it has the old 10k record time and it rounds up/down the timings but it gives the idea. The only anomaly is the 100m and I think that's because of Flo-Jo....

Athletic Performance - Men vs. Women - Vaughn's Summaries

I remember when Paula Radcliffe destroyed the then current women's marathon record time. That was a huge margin. There has, since, been some whingeing about a couple of her blood counts (taken after competition) but those were reasonably explainable.

I really do think that women's distance events could be substantially reduced even further. 10k, steeplechase and marathon are still relatively new events for women.
 
Sirena said:
To be fair, the percentage differential across all women's and men's events does show a steady 11% or 12% and Ayana's time is not outside that range.
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The problem with this logic is that it assumes, for no particularly good reason, that the men's record it is being compared to is clean. I think that you'd have some difficulty finding a track and field world record that could be confidently assumed to be so.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
The problem with this logic is that it assumes, for no particularly good reason, that the men's record it is being compared to is clean. I think that you'd have some difficulty finding a track and field world record that could be confidently assumed to be so.
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Don't you have your own thread for this stuff?
 
TheHoodedClaw said:
Teach us, oh wise one. Show us the light.
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No problem, first you start by pulling your head out of your anal passage. After that you use a clean damp cloth to start cleaning the area around your eyes. Post again when you've got that far and I'll share the next few steps.
 
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Nigel Irritable said:
It's also worth remembering that just as certainly as Wang Junxia and Co were doping, almost all of the fastest 100 ever 100 metres times were set by dopers. They have both absolutely smashed the best times by the best dopers by huge margins.
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This is a thread where athletes are assumed to have won fairly until shown otherwise. I suggest you start a thread claiming to know who's doping somewhere else. Here's some figures to take with you.
http://www.track-stats.com/drug-100m-the-fastest-men-and-their-bans/

Ta-ra!
 
Something I meant to mention last night.

Desiree Henry made it through her 100m heat. At 20 years old this is the first Olympics she's competed at but not the first she's taken part in: she was one of the kids who lit the Olympic flame at 2012, nominated by Daley Thompson for the honour :cool:

Gave a great interview after the race, and grew up in the same borough as me l, albeit a few years apart... ;)
 
QueenOfGoths said:
Just seen on the BBc that this has been judged a foul and shouldn't have been measured!!
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Ooh, really? I just caught it on the text feed (trying to watch the tennis and catch the random glimpses of heptathlon coverage isn't working :( ); was there any indication it would be cancelled?
 
KJT moves up to third, with JEH five points behind new leader Thiam.

I think what we all want here is for JEH to retain her title and cement her legacy, with KJT and Thiem coming second and third. The stage is then set for KJT and Thiam to do battle over the next two Olympics, with the British obviously coming out on top on both occasions.

So, um, yeah, get to it ladies :)
 
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