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Are the rolling stones sh*t?

Yes they're shit. I can't get no satisfaction from them. :(

Who wants to see a bunch of geriatrics jumping around on stage anyway.
I'm lukewarm on the Stones generally, but clearly there are a lot of people who want to see that. In fact, I'd say your description of them is selling them to me a bit.
 
LOL WouldBe and marshall . They were a good band doing good things and that's fine, we don't have to love or hate them like those are the only two choices. Contemporary with the Mick Tayler period I prefer what eg. Taj Mahal was doing. You know what, they probably do too.
 
You Can't Always Get What You Want

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Is this art?

Also: have The Rolling Stones killed.
 
I'm having an obsessional moment here, but these things are important. OK so they did a cover of the rev. Gary Davis song You Gotta Move, except they didn't, they did a cover of Mississippi Fred McDowell's version (the Gary Davis original is completely different). All well and good. The Stones here sound real rough and bluesy and good, with that slide guitar twanging it's way through the song. Except in comparison with the Fred McDowell version it sounds cleaned up and poppy by comparison. They make it into this more anthemic thing, but really it's the same thing as the Fred McDowell version and they're trying to make it sound as dirty as his, but they're just not getting there. Like the Stones themselves, I love these old blues songs, and I appreciate them bringing them to a wider audience, but they just didn't quite have it in them to do these songs proper justice. See also Little Red Rooster. I don't think Mick Tayler was better than good/competent and I don't think he found his voice on these records even if he added a certain texture to them. They were one of the better blues-rock bands and they did some great songs and they were a lot of fun in the 60's, but they weren't these iconic rock heroes, they were a bunch of talented guys who loved the blues and had the good fortune to make it. Non of these bands were really these icons they are sometimes made out to be and of course most of them weren't even trying to be. Appreciate them for what they were/are and appreciate that there were dozens of others who deserve as much love.

Next week I will take on Miles Davis.

And lose.
 
Onto Exile on Main Street. Is it a masterpiece? It's definitely the band at their most exploratory, absorbing a broad range of Americana - blues, gospel, country. As I said before I'm really not that keen on the two guitarists Old Hat and Lacklustre. Actually Lacklustre is fine, but Old Hat makes me cringe on the rock out moments where he falls back on his own clichés. But here that's rarer than on other albums. Almost by necessity it's the slower songs that make it and there are plenty here. The album rocks because Charlie and Bill make it rock, it's glorious because of the vocals/backing vocals and the brass. I have really mixed feelings about Mick Jagger's voice, I think it works in some contexts well but not others, but if you like it, he's really going for it here.

It has a reputation for being an acquired taste and what that usually means is that when you see past the problems you will learn to love it. It took me three listens to get into it but that was a matter of working past certain aspects to get there, but the fact that those aspects are there to be worked past has to count against it not for it. [I'm very familiar with the song Tumbling Dice because it was on a compilation I've long had, but I really hate that song, even if it's good I still hate it with a passion. It actually makes me feel ill. Somehow the stew is too thick and too repetitive.]

One thing I don't think is true is that it is an album without any standout hit songs. I think that's only the case because they didn't release them as singles. Sweet Virginia is absolutely fantastic and the real highlight of the album for me. And eg. Shake Your Hips, Ventilator Blues (topical eh?), Stop Breaking Down, Soul Survivor are great as well. But is eg. Torn and Frayed a great album track or is it just filler? The organ and Jagger's vocals work really well together, but the song itself isn't anything, the "rock" thump to it is heavy handed for what is a soulful little number. It's a bit of both really, there's enough there to make it interesting and it's just a bit ugly and a bit of a blank of a song. Some songs are plain dreadful eg. Loving Cup. It's definitely an album where I want skip ahead to the songs I like. I don't find it a good "through" listen, but if you make it as far as the fourth side it's a good run of songs.

The other thing I don't agree with are comments that I have seen that it's messy/sloppy. I think it's really tight especially Charlie's drumming. For most of it there is simply too much going on. For a lot of the tracks I could happily lose at least one of the guitars, possibly both of them, other times I could happily lose the keyboards or the horns. If you track various individual horn players/keyboards/guitars they're often just noodling or providing a bedrock for the rest of the instrumentation is built on. But actually they would more often than not be fine with that bedrock removed. It becomes extraneous, lumpy, thick. Too often it feels like they have everybody there and they have to use them all. The stripped down moments are where it really shines and there's precious few of them. The album is not not under polished, it's under honed.

So a flawed, patchy gem, that's more ambitious than its predecessors. I find the band to be just a bit tired by the end of 60's and there are times here where it sounds revitatilised, I might even say it is a return to form. But I would be happier with a single LP of the best bits rather than the double.

I apologise for all of the above. This was a weird obsessional post about an album that I don't really like. But when the inspiration takes me what's the harm?
 
Had the chance to see them at Glastonbury once. Watched Public Enemy instead. No regrets.
 
Stones LPs - no matter of what era - always have something to recommend them. Been listening to “Undercover” recently and apart from the great title track there’s “Too Much Blood”, “Feel on Baby” and “She Was Hot”. Even the filler is pretty OK.
 
Always liked the song, I append two versions for your perusal.



Redacted, truly fucking awful



Stoned? Moi? :)

PS

I didn't realise that Mick had studied at Heidelberg. :)
 
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