There are 25,000 members of U75, each of whom has at least one dream every night, and f we say they have been old enough to think about predictions in their dreams for 15 years on average then that makes over 100 million dreams, and since we have multiple dreams every night probably nearer a billion dreams. The shocking thing would be if in none of them someone had imagined something that they later found out to be true.
Are Astral Travels real or imaginary experiences?
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I've had 'precognitive' dreams. Perhaps they are inevitable, given the amount of time we sleep, i.e. we are bound to dream something that will happen. But, dreaming the words that another person will say, to a 3rd person, in a specific location, from a specific viewpoint, and with specific actions, only for this to happen weeks later, well, I actually find it irrational to believe this to be random.
What does it mean for something to be irrational? It may go against what you instinctively expect to be true but that's because our brains are appalling estimators of probability*. From a statistical viewpoint, that 1 in a 1000 people experience something like you describe is probable.
* How many people do you expect you need to have a 1 in 2 probability that 2 people share the same birthday?
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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How do you arrive at that figure?
Considering all the possible variables in even just a single factor - words used by another person - then that number seems much, much too low. Start adding in the other variables, with all their possible permutations, to form a single sequence in time and space, and the probabilty can reasonably be guessed at what?
By irrational, I mean that given the above evidence (available only to me I know, but let's assume I'm honest), then I find it illogical to dismiss explanations other than the random one, given the astronomical chances that such a wide range of dreamt factors could be so accurate at the same moment when occuring for real.
I once had a lift in a Vauxha Astral once. Does that count?
Hocus
Hocus
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Are you perchance a Bristle ex-pat Hocus ?Hocus Eye. said:I once had a lift in a Vauxha Astral once. Does that count?
Hocus
("me babber")
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
strangly but when i read that guys messages his voice in my brain sounds like speedy gonzalez
and the corect answer to the question i do belive is "Wu" as there are flaws in the question itself
and the corect answer to the question i do belive is "Wu" as there are flaws in the question itself
gentlegreen said:
No, I wus rignly frum Wescunnry but twas Debn. I knowed a maid from Bristle way an er used to talk all funny like callin it 'Bristohl'
Hocus Ectually
ska invita
back on the other side
Returning to the main question: I wonder if there is a parallel that can be made with other forms of wave generators - lets think of a CB short wave radio.
In having a conversation with someone a couple of miles away you are, in terms of scienctific materialism, "travelling", or at least your voice-waves are travelling across space through a wave generating medium.
Brainwaves, if I remember rightly from another thread, do not travel any great distance at all - only tiny distances within the brain - is that right?
However materialist science has a problem defining consciousness on physical space - although I have read a physicist who claims it is a loose field of something or other (cant remember what!).
Anyhow, as someone who has had profound telepathic experiences across hundereds of miles, I've only been able to rationalise that some form of brainwave that travels across space exists - please let me know if mainstream science has definitely ruled that out - i'd like to hear the how's and why's.
For the sake of argument, lets say that it is possible to emit a brainwave, and perhaps couple this with quantum phenomenon discussed in the Alain ASpect thread, then just possibly there is some way in which "astral travelling" is possible in terms of physical space/relay of information.
Or am I tripping?
In having a conversation with someone a couple of miles away you are, in terms of scienctific materialism, "travelling", or at least your voice-waves are travelling across space through a wave generating medium.
Brainwaves, if I remember rightly from another thread, do not travel any great distance at all - only tiny distances within the brain - is that right?
However materialist science has a problem defining consciousness on physical space - although I have read a physicist who claims it is a loose field of something or other (cant remember what!).
Anyhow, as someone who has had profound telepathic experiences across hundereds of miles, I've only been able to rationalise that some form of brainwave that travels across space exists - please let me know if mainstream science has definitely ruled that out - i'd like to hear the how's and why's.
For the sake of argument, lets say that it is possible to emit a brainwave, and perhaps couple this with quantum phenomenon discussed in the Alain ASpect thread, then just possibly there is some way in which "astral travelling" is possible in terms of physical space/relay of information.
Or am I tripping?
Experiences of the etheric, the astral and beyond are healthy and should be encouraged. The apparent unknown is always ridiculed by people but 5000 years of human civilisation has not seen the continued experiences of other levels of conciousness or reality stop, of course its real....what nonsense to suggest otherwise.
It is a common truth that what you perceive is based on the induction and translation of frequency, we are capable of perceiving much more than just the physical world. Astral projection is just that, it is projection, you are projecting a resonance of yourself through which your conciousness can remotely experience places outside of your own body. That is not the same as your conciousness leaving your body. You are simply utilising the form of conciousness that exists all around us, that constitutes what we call reality, its what physics calls the zero point field, its what the 18th and 19th century scientists called the ether, the greeks even had a name though it escapes me.
Everything is part of the same field, including us, of course we can perceive other parts of reality, we are simply perceiving an extension of ourselves. To some this will sound like bullocks, hopefully to others it will make sense
It is a common truth that what you perceive is based on the induction and translation of frequency, we are capable of perceiving much more than just the physical world. Astral projection is just that, it is projection, you are projecting a resonance of yourself through which your conciousness can remotely experience places outside of your own body. That is not the same as your conciousness leaving your body. You are simply utilising the form of conciousness that exists all around us, that constitutes what we call reality, its what physics calls the zero point field, its what the 18th and 19th century scientists called the ether, the greeks even had a name though it escapes me.
Everything is part of the same field, including us, of course we can perceive other parts of reality, we are simply perceiving an extension of ourselves. To some this will sound like bullocks, hopefully to others it will make sense
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
You're an idiot, never post in this forum again.Azrael23 said:Experiences of the etheric, the astral and beyond are healthy and should be encouraged. The apparent unknown is always ridiculed by people but 5000 years of human civilisation has not seen the continued experiences of other levels of conciousness or reality stop, of course its real....what nonsense to suggest otherwise.
It is a common truth that what you perceive is based on the induction and translation of frequency, we are capable of perceiving much more than just the physical world. Astral projection is just that, it is projection, you are projecting a resonance of yourself through which your conciousness can remotely experience places outside of your own body. That is not the same as your conciousness leaving your body. You are simply utilising the form of conciousness that exists all around us, that constitutes what we call reality, its what physics calls the zero point field, its what the 18th and 19th century scientists called the ether, the greeks even had a name though it escapes me.
Everything is part of the same field, including us, of course we can perceive other parts of reality, we are simply perceiving an extension of ourselves. To some this will sound like bullocks, hopefully to others it will make sense
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Fine, if it's got such scientific-sounding reasons, then we should be able to subject it to tests. In every hospital ICU, place a photograph of a famous person, or a random 4 digit number, or a random word from a dictionary, on top of a high shelf. If anybody reports having an OBE during a near death experience etc, then they should be asked if they saw anything (via a questionaire to prevent cueing by the interviewer)
There should also be a control group that do not have anything placed on a high shelf but should fill in the same questionaire.
I'm sure there are people willing to fund research into this field, it shouldn't be too hard to get a grant. I await the results with great intrest.
There should also be a control group that do not have anything placed on a high shelf but should fill in the same questionaire.
I'm sure there are people willing to fund research into this field, it shouldn't be too hard to get a grant. I await the results with great intrest.
Sid's Snake
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editor said:
You might want to read this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0500051178/103-1260461-3318207?v=glance&n=283155
It seems the "imaginary" or otherwise idea of flight is so hard-wired in the human brain its been consistently reported, across cultures and times - for most human history.
Laboratory applications of psychotrophics report 3 major stages; a first stage of wiggly lines etc which can be produced in a minor form by rubbing the eyeball right up to a third stage of fully realised realised "visions."
( almost always, interestingly, at the end of a "lighted tunnel."
Now, many scientists apparently say the wiggly lines are so universal and hardwired into the brain/consciousness that its the brain "seeing itself." Similarly the experiences reported in stage 3 seem to follow an almost universal pattern.
You may either choose to believe these are marginal or uninteresting hallucinations of the brain or that the brain is an agent for fully realised astral flight. Its up to you.
Whatever you do choose to believe, the experiences are seem so universal, with such uniformity in their reporting, they appear to represent that consciouness inclines and seems to need this nature of experience just as naturally as the processes we use for making a cup of tea.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
I fully accept that the mind can hallucinate, that the experiences of those who claim to astral travel are real. However, it is very important that we nail down an answer to the poll question - are they 'real'? That is, can information about the material worl be obtained through them that could not otherwise be obtained. I would like to see this sort of proof.
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