Are Astral Travels real or imaginary experiences?
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Hi jaed, that’s not so, many moderators and participants in that Science Forum (www.100cia.com) are professional scientists. Let me give a few examples:jæd said:
Fas (moderator for the medicine forum) is a professional biologist, Vijande is an expert and teacher of quantum physics, Alexis is a doctor, Zanstel and HermesT are computer programmers, hetzer and leach are professional mathematicians, etc, etc., etc. And if you don’t believe me, you can log into that forum (free international access), send them a Private Message and ask them. And if you go to “foro.migui” (where they revised Table 1), same thing happens as well.
You’ll find a list of the moderators of 100cia.com in this link:
http://www.100cia.com/opinion/foros/showgroups.php?
qbeac.
P.S. If anybody needs a free translator for a short PM:
http://www.freetranslation.com/
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Maybe if he sticks around a bit we can persuade him to talk about something interestingfogbat said:
Hi gentlegreen, this is information about a sound technique they say could help to induce artificial OBEs. Will this be true? Well, it’s a matter of trying the sounds and see what happens. If you try them and you “feel” you get out of your body, all you have to do to verify if it is a real or imaginary experience is to apply the Agnostic Method several times and see. They have developed it in the Monroe Institute and it is based on a natural phenomenon called “binaural auditory beats”.
- Monroe Institute. Sound method to help inducing OBEs:
http://www.toolsforwellness.com/monroe.html
- Brain Wave Generator (Book: “Mastering Astral Projection"):
http://www.bwgen.com/article_mastering_astral_projection.htm
http://www.astraldynamics.com/library/?BoardID=30
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738704679/astraldynamic-20/102-9169136-8864137
There are quite a few articles in MEDLINE (Pubmed) about the binaural auditory beats phenomenon. Link to MEDLINE:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
- Monroe Institute. Sound method to help inducing OBEs:
http://www.toolsforwellness.com/monroe.html
- Brain Wave Generator (Book: “Mastering Astral Projection"):
http://www.bwgen.com/article_mastering_astral_projection.htm
http://www.astraldynamics.com/library/?BoardID=30
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738704679/astraldynamic-20/102-9169136-8864137
There are quite a few articles in MEDLINE (Pubmed) about the binaural auditory beats phenomenon. Link to MEDLINE:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
they're as real as you want them to be, just like anything else....even if its only real in your own head and no one elses...doesnt make it any less real to you if you know what i mean (which you probably dont 
...)
...)Look, this is a Brain Wave Generator forum:
http://bwgen.tehforums.com/
I have not tried it, I have gotten the information from other people, but I suppose the participants in that forum could give you more information about this sound technique.
http://bwgen.tehforums.com/
I have not tried it, I have gotten the information from other people, but I suppose the participants in that forum could give you more information about this sound technique.
Besides the information in MEDLINE, there is a lot of information in the Internet about binaural auditory beats technology. This is one example of it:
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/abstracts/v11n3a1.php
Volume 11: Number 3: Article 1
Accessing Anomalous States of Consciousness with a Binaural Beat Technology
F. Holmes Atwater, The Monroe Institute, 62 Roberts Mountain Road, Faber, VA 22938-2317
Exposure to binaural beats in an environment of restricted stimulation coupled with a guidance process can safely provide access to and experiences in many propitious states of consciousness. This method requires a unique combination of well-understood psycho-physiological inductive techniques with the addition of a refined binaural-beat technology. Binaural beats provide potential consciousness-altering information to the brain's reticular activating system. The reticular activating system in turn interprets and reacts to this information by stimulating the thalamus and cortex - thereby altering arousal states, attentional focus, and the level of awareness, i.e., the elements of consciousness itself. This effective binaural-beat process offers a wide variety of beneficial applications and vehicle for the exploration of expanded states of consciousness.
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/abstracts/v11n3a1.php
Volume 11: Number 3: Article 1
Accessing Anomalous States of Consciousness with a Binaural Beat Technology
F. Holmes Atwater, The Monroe Institute, 62 Roberts Mountain Road, Faber, VA 22938-2317
Exposure to binaural beats in an environment of restricted stimulation coupled with a guidance process can safely provide access to and experiences in many propitious states of consciousness. This method requires a unique combination of well-understood psycho-physiological inductive techniques with the addition of a refined binaural-beat technology. Binaural beats provide potential consciousness-altering information to the brain's reticular activating system. The reticular activating system in turn interprets and reacts to this information by stimulating the thalamus and cortex - thereby altering arousal states, attentional focus, and the level of awareness, i.e., the elements of consciousness itself. This effective binaural-beat process offers a wide variety of beneficial applications and vehicle for the exploration of expanded states of consciousness.
This is another debate about the Brain Wave Generator (free download). I haven’t read it yet, but it looks good:
Download a free chakra stimulation & OBE mp3 file
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14409
Download a free chakra stimulation & OBE mp3 file
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14409
qbeac said:
Well... I'm a computer programmer, and one of the main areas of my work is applied statistics... I'm not wading through thirty odd pages of blathering tosh on what is cleary not a moderated forum. A quick scan through with my pitiful spanish can tell me that...! Just like I can tell you're a spouting wacko...
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I had a really neat dream last night ...
We were fishing for king crabs in a rather frothy looking estuary .. only the king crabs turned out to be varnished pine toilet seat lids with tails attached ....
We were fishing for king crabs in a rather frothy looking estuary .. only the king crabs turned out to be varnished pine toilet seat lids with tails attached ....
This subject may not be interesting to you, moderator, but to me and many other people this is a quite interesting subject indeed. In fact, I have received a Private Message from a person in this forum (urban75) telling me that this stuff is quite interesting.
This subject is also scientific and so it is this section of this urban75 forum (science and environment). What are Internet Science forums for if not to share and debate upon interesting scientific information?
To verify that this is a scientific subject, anybody may simply check the links I have provided from MEDLINE, The Lancet, Dr. Gresyon, Dr. Fenwick, etc.
By the way, there is another research team in England studying this phenomenon in the Southampton General Hospitals:
http://www.datadiwan.de/SciMedNet/library/articlesN75+/N76Parnia_nde.htm
Dr Parnia is a graduate of Guys and St. Thomas' medical schools in London. He is currently a registrar in internal and respiratory medicine as well as a clinical research fellow working towards a PhD in the molecular biology of asthma. He was a member of the Southampton University Trust Hospitals resuscitation committee between 1998 and 1999. He is also chairman of Horizon Research Foundation. While working on the medical and coronary care units of Southampton General Hospitals and together with Dr Peter Fenwick he set up the first ever study of near death experiences in the UK. The results of this study have received widespread coverage in the national and international press and have recently been published in the medical journal "Resuscitation"
qbeac.
This subject is also scientific and so it is this section of this urban75 forum (science and environment). What are Internet Science forums for if not to share and debate upon interesting scientific information?
To verify that this is a scientific subject, anybody may simply check the links I have provided from MEDLINE, The Lancet, Dr. Gresyon, Dr. Fenwick, etc.
By the way, there is another research team in England studying this phenomenon in the Southampton General Hospitals:
http://www.datadiwan.de/SciMedNet/library/articlesN75+/N76Parnia_nde.htm
Dr Parnia is a graduate of Guys and St. Thomas' medical schools in London. He is currently a registrar in internal and respiratory medicine as well as a clinical research fellow working towards a PhD in the molecular biology of asthma. He was a member of the Southampton University Trust Hospitals resuscitation committee between 1998 and 1999. He is also chairman of Horizon Research Foundation. While working on the medical and coronary care units of Southampton General Hospitals and together with Dr Peter Fenwick he set up the first ever study of near death experiences in the UK. The results of this study have received widespread coverage in the national and international press and have recently been published in the medical journal "Resuscitation"
qbeac.
Hi editor and rest of participants,
In summary, I believe our method, the Agnostic Method, is a good method to try to differentiate if these experiences are real or imaginary, but if anybody has anything to say about the method (mistakes, conceptual errors, possible improvements, etc.), we would love to hear it.
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In summary, I believe our method, the Agnostic Method, is a good method to try to differentiate if these experiences are real or imaginary, but if anybody has anything to say about the method (mistakes, conceptual errors, possible improvements, etc.), we would love to hear it.
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
qbeac said:
Look mate, you really need to see a shrink - (or a priest if you insist in believing in stuff
)(And believe me I have first hand experience of this sort of thing from my younger days)
Meanwhile, why not take a chill pill and chat about something a little less wordy ...
share a recipe, tell us about your favourite music .....
qbeac said:
In all our research you didn't drop Wikipedia. Shorter and less barkingly loonspud articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
In short, both astral projection and near-death-experiences can be explained as hallucinations caused by various factors. (The ketamine research is interesing as it I've expereienced this a few times.. I really need to set a website full of loonspud toshery and abook, only £39.99 (not inc p+p) with a five step guide to niverna...)
Words aren't taken at random. The probability of following the word speed with the word freak is much higher than the probability of following the word speed with the word homogenous.
You also don't take into account that there are 6 billion people having several dreams every night. It is certain that a significant number of them will imagine things to be true that quite incidently happen to be true with them having no way of knowing this.
(I know the fucktard can't argue back but still wanted to point out how flawed the maths and reasoning is)
General Ludd said:
Well... If a statistically significant number of people were having dreams which told the future or gave them knowledge beyond their ken then there could be something in astral projection. But I would guess that this isn't the case. Given there are 6 billion people sleeping each night, most of them 365 days a year, it is very possible that some of those dreams give apparently other-worldy knowdledge. But if you worked out all the maths it wouldn't be enough to start thinking we all had psi-powers.
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