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Apple is betting the farm on a VR headset

I like the idea of the headset replacing or complimenting monitors for work, enabling people to take their 'office' setup to anywhere. It's probably several generations away from something that you could wear all day but I like that thought that I could pack a headset, and a keyboard in a bag and re-create a multi-monitor work environment anywhere I can find a table and chair.
 
I like the idea of the headset replacing or complimenting monitors for work, enabling people to take their 'office' setup to anywhere. It's probably several generations away from something that you could wear all day but I like that thought that I could pack a headset, and a keyboard in a bag and re-create a multi-monitor work environment anywhere I can find a table and chair.
That’s certainly been one of the main themes of the marketing which makes sense. certainly more sense than selling a load of them based on a flight simulator.
 
VR still needs a "killer app" in order for folks like me to buy into it. I'm a gamer and that's probably the strongest area of mass-market appeal for VR right now, but so far there hasn't been enough programs produced that would justify me dropping about a grand on new equipment, never mind spending whatever additional funds would be required to upgrade my rig.

Doesn't help that Oculus got bought out by Facebook/Meta, I completely lost interest in that particular line of hardware once it became owned by Zuckerberg's genocide enabling and creepy tracking/data harvesting operation. Facebook account required? Fuck off Mark, and when you get there keep fucking off until you drown in the sea, you nasty grasping dystopian lump of human shit.

Now along comes Apple who completely fail to read the room and say they're gonna release a redonkulously expensive VR headset that costs almost twice as much as my entire desktop rig, never mind that using it (to its full potential? at all?) would require me to get mired in Apple's closed ecosystem, which isn't geared towards gamers in the first place. So I would have to put aside my burning hatred for Apple's blobby, sexless aesthetics and irritating California attitude, spend way too much money getting invested in their platforms, and then have no games to play at the end of all that anyway. No, just no.

Valve is a company for which I at least have some measure of respect, and their Index is priced somewhere in between the two aforementioned non-options, about a grand for the complete kit. OK great, that's a reasonable goal in terms of saving up the required money, and it would be compatible with the hardware and software I already have.

Unfortunately, unless I shell out even more money on third-party prescription lenses, I would then have to choose whether I want to be uncomfortable while wearing both the headset and my glasses that I need to see anything clearly, or whether I want to be comfortable without my glasses and with just the headset on, but be unable to see anything clearly in the virtual world. It's utterly astounding to me that seemingly every VR hardware manufacturer has apparently dropped the ball on this aspect and failed to provide their own off-the-shelf solutions, it's not like it's uncommon for people to need glasses.

So yeah, in my estimation VR has yet to move past the stage of being a clunky and gimmicky expense, is rather lacking in anything heavily desirable to run on it that would justify said shortcomings, and also has some significant physical accessibility problems to boot.
The advantage that Apple has is its success generally isn't built on people like you. And it's price is basically meaningless as history shows, high price does not stop Apple selling products.
 
I like the idea of the headset replacing or complimenting monitors for work, enabling people to take their 'office' setup to anywhere. It's probably several generations away from something that you could wear all day but I like that thought that I could pack a headset, and a keyboard in a bag and re-create a multi-monitor work environment anywhere I can find a table and chair.
I love the idea of extending my MBP; why pay for multiple 4k screens for around the same price as this when I could just get the AVP, get the extra screen real estate plus all the other things it can do?🤷🏽
 
I love the idea of extending my MBP; why pay for multiple 4k screens for around the same price as this when I could just get the AVP, get the extra screen real estate plus all the other things it can do?🤷🏽

It's a great idea, but I think we're a way away from that. I'm not even sure what screen resolution/technology would be needed to give a comparable experience.
 
I like the idea of the headset replacing or complimenting monitors for work, enabling people to take their 'office' setup to anywhere. It's probably several generations away from something that you could wear all day but I like that thought that I could pack a headset, and a keyboard in a bag and re-create a multi-monitor work environment anywhere I can find a table and chair.

I mean maybe voice rec might be actually good enough by then. And we can select what we want just by thinking about it or at least the eye tracking tech will good enough.
 
I mean maybe voice rec might be actually good enough by then. And we can select what we want just by thinking about it or at least the eye tracking tech will good enough.

One thing I've learned from having multiple Amazon Echo devices, is that while voice recognition has its place, it'll be a long time before I'm ready to do away with tactile inputs and controls entirely. I actually get tired of barking orders using my voice at stuff and regularly use my phone now to dim the lights/adjust the volume, etc.
 
Like Crispy says, the prospect of CAD done properly with one of these is amazing. For me it would be having a venue/arena/stadium fully modelled, being able to place the stage, trusses, lighting etc and experience how it all looked (and with immersive audio, sounds) from anywhere the audience could be would be a game changer.
 
The advantage that Apple has is its success generally isn't built on people like you. And it's price is basically meaningless as history shows, high price does not stop Apple selling products.

Who is going to buy an Apple HMD for that price point apart from Apple-based developers? The iPod and the iPhone were successful because they had mass market appeal independent of the Apple platform. Loads of people listen to music on the move, and the utility of a mobile phone that's also a pocket computer is very widely applicable. It also helped that people could get their expensive iPhones on credit from their service provider. What is the equivalent impetus for this device?
 
One thing I've learned from having multiple Amazon Echo devices, is that while voice recognition has its place, it'll be a long time before I'm ready to do away with tactile inputs and controls entirely. I actually get tired of barking orders using my voice at stuff and regularly use my phone now to dim the lights/adjust the volume, etc.

Yes, it's very much a tech of last resort for me, yet it feels so close. I mostly use it change music in the car. Dictation wise it's pretty impressive, but by the time I've corrected any errors, I would have been faster to type
 
Who is going to buy an Apple HMD for that price point apart from Apple-based developers? The iPod and the iPhone were successful because they had mass market appeal independent of the Apple platform. Loads of people listen to music on the move, and the utility of a mobile phone that's also a pocket computer is very widely applicable. It also helped that people could get their expensive iPhones on credit from their service provider. What is the equivalent impetus for this device?
It’s already sold out
 
We’re not that far at all
In this form factor, no we're not. From all the user reports the AVP is there already, so long as you're not trying to squint at 8pt type a metre away.
But the way they all work - small flat screens with very strong lenses in front - can't really get much smaller. The optics require bulk.
What's needed is some sort of amazing new display technology that squirts the image directly onto your retina with lasers (or something). Something an order of magnitude smaller and lighter.
 
Release day today. Looking forward to the reviews.

Djay for Apple Vision Pro looks er, "interesting"

 
Djay for Apple Vision Pro looks er, "interesting"

It's impressive from a tech POV. But then you think about actually DJing with it and it all seems a bit ridiculous.

As killer apps go, this ain't it.
 
Decent review from the Verge and asks a lot of the pertinent questions at the end - though mostly ignoring the key one of exactly how large the market for $3,499 of face-hugging is.

 
Decent review from the Verge and asks a lot of the pertinent questions at the end - though mostly ignoring the key one of exactly how large the market for $3,499 of face-hugging is.



Really has the feel of a “proof of concept” device rather than anything that will penetrate the market beyond collectors and fanboys with too much money.

Unfortunately, the concept, relying as it does on video passthrough, doesn’t really look proven here.
 
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