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Shippou-Sensei
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in the next release of windows you won't be allowed to install any non ms software for three months....
can you imagine the blood spitting?
can you imagine the blood spitting?
cjbowen.apple said:
Your friend should have done his research first. Installation of apps on iPhone iPod touch is possible, but you need to stay up-to-date on patches and so on,
Here's a good article
iPod touch for business
Here's a good place to start
iJailbreak
Structaural
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Anyone see this letter from Macrovision Ceo Fred Amoroso to Steve Jobs (after Jobs had talked off getting rid of DRM)? Macrovision is the leading DRM coder.
It got dissected by John Gruber:
http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation
'I would like to start by thanking Steve Jobs for offering his provocative perspective on the role of digital rights management (DRM) in the electronic content marketplace and for bringing to the forefront an issue of great importance to both the industry and consumers.'
Translation: Fuck you, Jobs.
It got dissected by John Gruber:
http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation
'I would like to start by thanking Steve Jobs for offering his provocative perspective on the role of digital rights management (DRM) in the electronic content marketplace and for bringing to the forefront an issue of great importance to both the industry and consumers.'
Translation: Fuck you, Jobs.
Structaural
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rocketman said:
Jailbreak was written by a 13 year old kid
editor
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Herr Jobs has now dictated that poor people without credit cards vill not be allowed to purchase an iPhone as he has declared that Apple will "no longer accept cash for iPhone purchases."
It seems Obergruppenführer Jobs feels he should control what you do with your phone even after you've bought the thing, and doesn't want you selling your own goods on. Which you own. Which you've paid for. And even if you've got a credit card, you can only buy two phones. And if you've only got a gift card - you can forget it too!
Imagine the uproar if Microsoft made such an outrageous declaration?!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/27/...ash-for-iphone-limits-em-to-two-per/#comments
It seems Obergruppenführer Jobs feels he should control what you do with your phone even after you've bought the thing, and doesn't want you selling your own goods on. Which you own. Which you've paid for. And even if you've got a credit card, you can only buy two phones. And if you've only got a gift card - you can forget it too!
Imagine the uproar if Microsoft made such an outrageous declaration?!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/27/...ash-for-iphone-limits-em-to-two-per/#comments
editor said:
Well... Its an interesting development... Once could argue that since Apple's a hardware company, that this the equal of Microsoft's DRM for Xp + Vista...
Its well targetted since most consumers have more than one credit card in the US, so it will probably only hit resellers, or geeks who are just going to unlock the phone. And in the US you have to very, very poor not have credit-cards. Witness the rise (and hoo-ha) over pre-paid credit cards.
(But any geeks who are going to do that should probably just wait for the US unlocked version, or head to France)
Be interesting to watch and see if it comes here, although I'm surprised Amercians would suck this up...!
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No, it's not. It's not even remotely comparable.jæd said:
It's specifically excluding anyone who hasn't got a credit card. In other words, Jobs wants to control how you pay for his products and if you haven't got a credit card, you can fuck off.
Imagine the furore if Microsoft tried to impose such a restriction!
editor said:
Being turned down because you don't have a credit card is unlikely since the amount of people who don't have credit cards there is very small.
(This is based on observations on the availability credit, etc, including pre-paid credit cards that even (big "scandal") illegal aliens could get hold of).
I'd add that people who can afford an iPhone (and afford to potentially brick it when they unlock it) and don't have a credit card a very low.
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Eh? Where the chuffin' heck have I been "defensive."?rocketman said:
What a bizarre thing to say.
Strange that you have absolutely no opinion on the matter though, because something tells me if it was Microsoft doing the same you have no shortage of things to say.rocketman said:
Oh well...
editor said:
I don't think it's such an issue because:
1/ In the US you don't exist without a credit card. (NB: That doesn't mean I think the huge wealth inequality gap in the US is right, just that it reflects US culture).
2/ You need good credit to get onto a mobile network, so nixing cash deals should make no difference. This phone isn't sold pay-as-you go.
3/ iTunes activation - also requires a credit card (mainly). So even if you paid cash until now, you'll still hit a credit wall eventually.
So I don't think it is such a big deal. Then again, I don't believe exclusive mobile network provider deals will still be iPhone's path to market after this deal times out, and also believe it will be made available pay-as-you go at some point in future.
There'll be lots of unlocked iPhones sold in France, I suspect.
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I don't believe that would have been your reaction, and I find it odd that you appear to fully support corporates forcing customers to use credit cards and thus exclude those who don't want/can't have a credit card.jæd said:Ok, I'll bite... If it was Microsoft doing this then good for them... It's their product and they can sell however they want to...!
editor said:
Well... I'd be slightly against it if it was just for credit cards, as opposed to including debit cards. Deciding to take out credit should be for the individual...
Personally I don't like cash much*, so its not that much of an issue to me. And I think that if someone's buying Windows they probably have a credit/debit card...
* Though it comes in handy for certain purchases...
re - only paying with a card.
Just a thought, but I'd be interested to know the specifics of whether or not an actual real shop (Regent St or 5th Ave. for example), is actually allowed to refuse legal tender for goods.
I know they can refuse to sell you stuff on other grounds, but can they actually refuse cash if it's good?
E2A:
Just remembered my conversation in Regent St. a couple of weeks ago when paying for a £29 cash for a new keyboard:
Apple Bunny: "£29 please"
Me <hand over notes>
AB: "can I have your name & address please?"
Me "No"
AB " I need it to issue you a receipt"
Me "no you don't"
AB " It's because you didn't pay with a debit card, you're reciept could be used by anyone"
Me " sorry, what on earth are you talking about? Can you just give me my bloody reciept & change please, I need to be somewhere else"
AB "err yes, sorry, here you go"
Just a thought, but I'd be interested to know the specifics of whether or not an actual real shop (Regent St or 5th Ave. for example), is actually allowed to refuse legal tender for goods.
I know they can refuse to sell you stuff on other grounds, but can they actually refuse cash if it's good?
E2A:
Just remembered my conversation in Regent St. a couple of weeks ago when paying for a £29 cash for a new keyboard:
Apple Bunny: "£29 please"
Me <hand over notes>
AB: "can I have your name & address please?"
Me "No"
AB " I need it to issue you a receipt"
Me "no you don't"
AB " It's because you didn't pay with a debit card, you're reciept could be used by anyone"
Me " sorry, what on earth are you talking about? Can you just give me my bloody reciept & change please, I need to be somewhere else"
AB "err yes, sorry, here you go"
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