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Sunray
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paolo999 said:
What made the iPod number 1 was by making a device that in many ways was perfect at doing the music playing thing. Thats it. There is a certain asthetic in is simplicity.
In todays world, they are nothing like the iPod mini that I have. They are these video, phone, photo video things that don't resemble the orginal in any way other than their name. Even the new nano is this ugly little squat device.
With Apples current attitude to the world, I see nothing to recommend any of their products.
Sunray said:
You see, this post doesn't make sense to me. The new nano is fugly, I'll give you that, but that's the exception in the range. You talk about the 'asthetic in its simplicity' (sic) as if it's no longer there, but the new ipod Touch exactly follows that philosophy - a simple tablet screen with just one external button, with an even better, more intuitive control mechanism than the scroll wheel. The form follows function - it's difficult to envisage how they could have made the design aesthetic any simpler.
Outside of that you've exactly the same traditional ipod, now renamed classic, available at lower cost and higher capacity. And the iphone, which although not for everyone, is an innovative addition to the range.
No disrespect, but you seem to be chomping at the bit to make unwarranted criticisms of Apple based on some shonky logic.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
You miss my point.
They did this one thing near perfectly, and that one thing is what most people want.
Now they do this basket of things, including the phone. By including all these new features they have diluted that original winning formula, because it can be done and not because it needed to be done.
They have lacked direction. The video is less than functional, it might look pretty but does not play Divx so I would have to spend 5-10 min per video on a Quad Core machine with 2Gb ram per Divx and how many people can do that. The phone isn't setting the phone world on fire in any other way apart from the some massive hype which stems from the original iPod wave.
At some point that wave will reach shore. I also get the feeling that Apple are trying to fleece their customers while that wave still has power rather than creating a new wave by making products that do what will make them money rather than do what people want.
Perhaps they will U-turn and Jobs will get one of those classic American round of applauses when he does.
They did this one thing near perfectly, and that one thing is what most people want.
Now they do this basket of things, including the phone. By including all these new features they have diluted that original winning formula, because it can be done and not because it needed to be done.
They have lacked direction. The video is less than functional, it might look pretty but does not play Divx so I would have to spend 5-10 min per video on a Quad Core machine with 2Gb ram per Divx and how many people can do that. The phone isn't setting the phone world on fire in any other way apart from the some massive hype which stems from the original iPod wave.
At some point that wave will reach shore. I also get the feeling that Apple are trying to fleece their customers while that wave still has power rather than creating a new wave by making products that do what will make them money rather than do what people want.
Perhaps they will U-turn and Jobs will get one of those classic American round of applauses when he does.
tarannau said:
Sunray said:
Its called "progress"... When the Ipod came out there were lots of criticisms... It was firewire + Mac compatible only and it took at least three revisions to get to the "Classic" ipod. But hey, lets just bash Apple because its fashionable...
And I never liked the design of the original Ipod Mini, anyhow...
Sunray said:
Again, I'm struggling to see the merits of your criticism. The fact they do a 'basket' of things is something of a diversion; the ipod still plays music fantastically well. Use the Touch and it'll feel more responsive, more easily navigable and more intuitive.
As for offering video on it, that's an optional extra that nearly every other manufacturer offers. I'd also say the Touch looks and handles video better than most - your main criticism seems to be that you've locked your own video collection into DivX and it's not supported natively - which it never has been on Itunes. It seems a strange criticism.
Add to that an excellent web browser and impressive multitouch gubbins and the ipod touch seems a logical progression, addition rather than dilution. If it really floats your boat, only load your music on and you'll still end up with a way better, more durable and speedy music player to use than your mini.
Sunray
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Its all dilution of core product focus for no real gain. My iPod mini is perfect for what I want and is the perfect size, perhaps it could be larger memory wise but for common use its doing a fine job.
I do not need another player with bells on. I'm not saying I couldn't be tempted but unless it does it with the ease that I get with my iPod and mp3's its near useless. So there has been a loss of focus on what is the core element of the phone. It might still do the music well, but without multi-format video playing, its redundant. Does it do the Phone elements, well probably but its not got 'rave' reviews on its Phone functionality. Its therefore not really much of an upgrade to the iPod mini + SE K810i that I currently have, and the 810i takes better pictures.
I do not need another player with bells on. I'm not saying I couldn't be tempted but unless it does it with the ease that I get with my iPod and mp3's its near useless. So there has been a loss of focus on what is the core element of the phone. It might still do the music well, but without multi-format video playing, its redundant. Does it do the Phone elements, well probably but its not got 'rave' reviews on its Phone functionality. Its therefore not really much of an upgrade to the iPod mini + SE K810i that I currently have, and the 810i takes better pictures.
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beesonthewhatnow
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Hardly.jæd said:But hey, lets just bash Apple because its fashionable...
Lets bash apple becuase the iphone is an overyhyped, overpriced heap of cack.
Again this is bollocks. Does the lack of 'multi-format video playing' make the ipod touch redundant?Any more than the lack of OGG Vorbis and WMV support made the ipod redundant for playing music? Millions would disagree with you.
Stick with your mini by all means. And if it dies, than you could upgragde to the Nano. It's a little ugly but again form follows funcion. The navigation is the same, but more responsive, better battery life and a far more robust player at a considerably lower cost. Aside from aesthetics, what's not to like?
There is no dilution of core product focus in my book - you want a player that solely plays music and the ipod will still do exactly that for you. They've not added extra buttons, added fripperies or buried the music playing options in a sea of menus - it still plays music the same, using itunes as it always has
Stick with your mini by all means. And if it dies, than you could upgragde to the Nano. It's a little ugly but again form follows funcion. The navigation is the same, but more responsive, better battery life and a far more robust player at a considerably lower cost. Aside from aesthetics, what's not to like?
There is no dilution of core product focus in my book - you want a player that solely plays music and the ipod will still do exactly that for you. They've not added extra buttons, added fripperies or buried the music playing options in a sea of menus - it still plays music the same, using itunes as it always has
editor
hiraethified
I think the iPod - in all its incarnations - is a superb piece of smart, slick, intelligent design. It's still way ahead of most of its rivals (if not all) in terms of looks and usability and has rightly won endless accolades for innovation.
Just thought I'd add that seeing as I'm always being accused of being a h8r.
But I still would never buy one.
Just thought I'd add that seeing as I'm always being accused of being a h8r.
But I still would never buy one.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
I plugged my nano into a firewire charger instead of the usual USB2 and it stopped working this morning 
Thought that was it - was about to come on here cursing and find out about creative zens but thought I'd smack the thing around - so started hitting it on the desk and it started working again on the 4th smack. Weird as it's SSD not HD.
Thought that was it - was about to come on here cursing and find out about creative zens but thought I'd smack the thing around - so started hitting it on the desk and it started working again on the 4th smack. Weird as it's SSD not HD.
Structaural said:I plugged my nano into a firewire charger instead of the usual USB2 and it stopped working this morning
Thought that was it - was about to come on here cursing and find out about creative zens but thought I'd smack the thing around - so started hitting it on the desk and it started working again on the 4th smack. Weird as it's SSD not HD.
That should be fine..?
I still have my outlet charger from my original iPod, back when you got them in the box with the iPod rather having to buy them seperatly. Its right handy + charges my Touch ok... (All I got with the Touch was a USB cable and a bit of plastic to hold it up... Ggrrr...! My first iPod came with a full dock and a little Steve Jobs doll* )* Not really.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
jæd said:That should be fine..?
Yeah I thought it would work - it was one of the ones that plugs straight into a power socket, it came up with the charging screen and then next time I looked at it the screen was blank. It might have been a coincidence.
If you're one of those wondering what all the iphone fuss is about (and there's a few), there's another way to look at it - at least to understand the appeal to other people, if not to become a convert...
...for some people their iPod is their 'must-carry' device, the one they use more than anything else. Sure they have a phone, but that's just out of necessity. The music player is what they are wired into and using whenever they are on the move. It only takes a glance round the bus or tube in the morning to see this - many clearly being iPod folk, wearing the "mug me" earphones.
For these people, having a few extra menu options... Phone, Browser, Email... can you see how compelling that is? You are carrying around what you would have carried anyway, an iPod, but now you don't have to carry a phone. And the chances are you never even had a browser before. And also, the chances are, you hated your phones user interface, because the ipod showed how simple and elegant a device could be.
For people who like their iPods, there's very little not to like about the iPhone. Now there's just that one little thing. The price.
...for some people their iPod is their 'must-carry' device, the one they use more than anything else. Sure they have a phone, but that's just out of necessity. The music player is what they are wired into and using whenever they are on the move. It only takes a glance round the bus or tube in the morning to see this - many clearly being iPod folk, wearing the "mug me" earphones.
For these people, having a few extra menu options... Phone, Browser, Email... can you see how compelling that is? You are carrying around what you would have carried anyway, an iPod, but now you don't have to carry a phone. And the chances are you never even had a browser before. And also, the chances are, you hated your phones user interface, because the ipod showed how simple and elegant a device could be.
For people who like their iPods, there's very little not to like about the iPhone. Now there's just that one little thing. The price.
Functionality-wise, I'd almost be happy with the iPhone. I'm not even that fussed about it being closed to third party software development for the moment. It's the price and lack of 3G that is stopping me from buying it. No way would I pay £270 on top of an expensive O2 contract, when I know that Apple are making 40% or something stupid on the phone bills.
e2a lack of battery change too. When I get a phone which I use a lot, I like to be able to get a spare battery/
e2a lack of battery change too. When I get a phone which I use a lot, I like to be able to get a spare battery/
editor said:
You've hit on something a bit deeper than the lack of a slot.
It's a closed box. No filesystem access at all. You can't mount it as a disk on a computer, there is no file system viewer app in the phone. Same goes for the iPod Touch (unlike the previous iPods). Apple has locked it all up. You can get certain file types (e.g. music, photos) on via the 'gatekeeper', i.e. iTunes.
Many people won't notice alot of this - they can put their stuff on (via iTunes) and it'll work.
However anyone like yourself, used to 'open file system' functionality on their current phone, could well find the iPhone very limiting in that department.
(It will be interesting to see what happens when the SDK ships. Apple will presumably have to give 3rd party apps some kind of filesystem access. And can they still realistically say everything has to be 'minded' by iTunes? Maybe there will be some kind of sandboxing... I can't quite picture how that will work though without it being annoying.)
Xanadu said:
For browsing, aside from photo heavy stuff, EDGE works ok. It's as much about latency (maybe more so) rather than bandwidth, and 3G has no silver bullet for that problem.
I think a bigger frustration though for UK iPhone users could be O2's EDGE coverage. It seems to be almost invisible at present.
paolo999 said:
It'll be interesting when/if a driver is developed that allows storage on the iPhone...
Interesting side point I've not seen anyone cover is that if you mount the Touch (and presumably the iPhone) it shows up as using a camera pic transfer protocol...
This is actually already possible using the iPhuc program, but its limited to Mac atm. Linux/Windows in theory but I (a) haven't seen a binary for those systems (b) seems to be heavily dependent on Intel OS X libs since the developer uses Intel OS X
Right at the moment I'm interested in the iPhone if Palm don't release a decent Treo in the next 6 months... A lot of what I'm thinking is based on the SDK and the freedom of developers (Any what precisely the control mechanism Apple will use...)
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
why would o2 invest in edge for one phone, when othere networks are going over to 3g+ which is a lot faster?
untethered
For industry & decency
paolo999 said:
Every time you add something you take something away.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
They've been hacked and bricked. Woooot!fjydj said:
cjbowen.apple
When Elephants Attack!
My friend hacked his, and he put a lot of new apps on it.
It was pretty cool, but the next day he came back, his iPhone was corrupted.
He sent it back to Apple, but they wouldn't replace it because he hacked it. >_<
It was pretty cool, but the next day he came back, his iPhone was corrupted.
He sent it back to Apple, but they wouldn't replace it because he hacked it. >_<
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