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Anyone ferment fruit & vegetables?

Okay so my shit seems to have a tendency to float to the top - not so badly with cabbage but I'm trying some tomatoes and those won't stay there. I push them down with a (clean) spoon every now and then but that's not practical long term.

I ordered some pickling weights but they won't come for a while - any good tips for how to hold it all down under the brine?
 
Okay so my shit seems to have a tendency to float to the top - not so badly with cabbage but I'm trying some tomatoes and those won't stay there. I push them down with a (clean) spoon every now and then but that's not practical long term.

I ordered some pickling weights but they won't come for a while - any good tips for how to hold it all down under the brine?

I use the pots from from GU desserts. I actually bought a load from ebay, people know they fit a Kilner jar nicely and are cheaper then proper weights, but if you just have a few you are worried about you could go buy some, eat the desserts and use them.

I've also heard of people using a whole cabbage leaf as well, but it's never quite worked for me, or at least I haven't trusted it.
 
I'm trying fermented garlic. Takes an age to peel enough garlic to fill a Kilner jar and not even a huge one at that. I'm looking forward for some extra garlic fermented zing when crushed over salads (provided it works). I do clean my jars and then use something like a sterilising tab, but was extra careful with this one. Really really don't want this jar to get the funky taste!
 
I'm trying fermented garlic. Takes an age to peel enough garlic to fill a Kilner jar and not even a huge one at that. I'm looking forward for some extra garlic fermented zing when crushed over salads (provided it works). I do clean my jars and then use something like a sterilising tab, but was extra careful with this one. Really really don't want this jar to get the funky taste!
Have you tried this?

 
I went a bit mad buying veg and am going to give this a go. Any guidelines as to how much salt per amount of veg to use? I have an outsize kilner jar - do I leave the rubber seal on the lid and clip it shut, or take it off/leave it room to breathe?
 
I went a bit mad buying veg and am going to give this a go. Any guidelines as to how much salt per amount of veg to use? I have an outsize kilner jar - do I leave the rubber seal on the lid and clip it shut, or take it off/leave it room to breathe?

Guidliness say a 2% salt brine if that's how you are doing it, but I eyeball mostly.

You want the seal on and clipped shut. It should naturally self "burp".
 
Has anyone got a decent recipe for kimchi?

Yeah... I kind of bodged one together from a few good websites. You do need some specialist ingredients, most important being gochugaru (chilli powder) and - obviously - napa cabbage and mooli/daikon radish. Various fishy things and a rice powder (can make it) are also used, but perhaps less essential.

I’ll write it up when when I’m home.
 
Yeah... I kind of bodged one together from a few good websites. You do need some specialist ingredients, most important being gochugaru (chilli powder) and - obviously - napa cabbage and mooli/daikon radish. Various fishy things and a rice powder (can make it) are also used, but perhaps less essential.

I’ll write it up when when I’m home.
Thanks. I can get specialist ingredients, there's a Korean shop and a Chinese shop here so no worries on that score.
 
Has anyone got a decent recipe for kimchi?

I roughly used this one last time. Only white cabbage and carrot as that's what I had, but did have the rice flour and fish sauce in. Substituted the Korean chilli flakes for a paste, but it's still lush.


 
Thanks. I can get specialist ingredients, there's a Korean shop and a Chinese shop here so no worries on that score.

Like UnderAnOpenSky , maangchi was one of my sources, but I used her traditional napa cabbage kimchi recipe. Other sources were Korean bapsang, and I think I also found one on serious eats. My final take was somewhat simplified - if there's a Korean store near you, you might want to experiment with the proper shrimp. Essentially it's the same as the Bapsang one, but using generic fish sauce and none of the interesting fishy things. For the dashima broth I used a different recipe that includes dried anchovies, it goes quite a long way so I tend to make a small batch and freeze.

I generally prefer to make it quartered (as opposed to slaw-like/chunks) and store in a main box, then take a quarter out and chop it for the next weekish (I could eat a lot more, but salt). This is how they do it in Korea. In fact they have actual Kimchi drawers in their fridges. At least my friend does. With quartering do note the bit where the recipe says 'just cut at the base' - the cabbages kind of peel apart very neatly, not so many cut edges.

For the rice powder I used this recipe. I think... But basically it just involves soaking short grain east asian rice for 5 hours plus, then blending to a fine powder. This can also be frozen.

I also highly recommend making kkakdugi, which is cubed radish kimchi. Dressed with a little sesame oil+seeds it's fucking lush. I used my korean kitchen for that (actually come to think of it I also may have used her recipe for normal kimchi, or bits of it). Note that the radish is salted for a lot less time than the cabbage recipe. Also some recipes say you shouldn't rinse the radish after salting, but frankly I'd rather keep my salt intake a bit lower.

I usually leave them out for at least a couple of days to kick-start the fermentation, but I haven't actually made kimchi when the weather's hot, so probably less time at the moment. As above, keep in a big box, and just remove and jar with clean implements for the week's eating. Kimchi also goes through stages - can be eaten fresh, then will go a bit fizzy, then develop sour notes. In Korea they keep it a lot longer than the few weeks some recipes recommend, using different phases for different recipes. There is a phase when it's not great, but I have no idea when this is (I am suspecting the fizzy bit) - one day I shall travel to Korea, meet my friend's mum, and find out once and for all. Old kimchi can be fried and used in bibimbap etc. But my friend reckons she's eaten raw kimchi at least 6 months old (actually I think she said a year, but I'm erring on the side of caution), but tbh it doesn't last that long unless you're doing the vast batches suited to seasonable availability of the best veg.

e2a: dunno why that seemed like less effort than just typing up the recipe I eventually settled on.
 
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That looks great. I must give it a try using a whole cabbage rather then in chunks and also using actual prawns (it's got lots of fish sauce in).

I like my ferments quite strong, so I'm going to give my latest batch and try cooking this. Its a stew with pork, torfu and kimchi!

 
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Korean stews are generally amazing. And one of the best things is that it is absolutely acceptable to add lumps of cheese.

And have instant noodles as a side dish. As long as there's also an egg in them.
 
That sounds bonkers. But nice. Think I'll wait till after lockdown and try a stew in a Korean restaurant before I start dumping chedder in my home made one.
 
That sounds bonkers. But nice. Think I'll wait till after lockdown and try a stew in a Korean restaurant before I start dumping chedder in my home made one.

It's to do with US influences afaik, post-war (Post both WWII and Korean war). Stuff from the well-supplied US army getting out into a Korean society suffering major food shortages. I dunno whether they add it to all stews mind you, or just 'army stew'. But it's a common enough dish that we used to get it in China quite often (Korean friends studying there).
 
I want a fridge with a kimchi drawer

Wonders almost inconceivable:

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It's fermenting away nicely now. I tried a bit of the fennel today and it was delicious, tangy, if rather salty.

If I die, it'll be the fault of everyone on this thread.
Tbh I think the risk of death is pretty low, given how the basic technique has been used by cack-handed peasants for centuries, who may have died of a lot of other things but "bad pickles" is not historically recorded much.
 
I'm quite keen to give this a go now. Fermenting (other than cheese) doesn't seem to be much of a tradition in the UK as far as I can tell. Even yoghurt I remember being a daring foreign innovation in the 70s. Yet in other countries it's standard (or has been).
I remember eating yoghurt at dinner at school when I was eleven in the late sixties.
 
I'm still eating this and I'm still alive. Fermentation seemed to have slowed right down yesterday so I've put it in the fridge. Is that the right thing to do?

It's really very nice, even the pak choi which I wasn't sure about. Adding dill was a particularly good move I think and I suspect the few sorrel leaves I slung in helped with the tanginess.
 
I'm still eating this and I'm still alive. Fermentation seemed to have slowed right down yesterday so I've put it in the fridge. Is that the right thing to do?

It's really very nice, even the pak choi which I wasn't sure about. Adding dill was a particularly good move I think and I suspect the few sorrel leaves I slung in helped with the tanginess.

Putting them in the fridge will slow fermentation down. I tend to stick them in the fridge once opened to reduce the chance of them going funky.
 
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