Antic to sell off a quarter of their pubs in London

[editor]

I'm hearing that Antic are about to close all their pubs. They may not come back and their staff will be fucked.

 

[ska invita]

All pubs are locked off, and i presume all staff are now defacto unemployed with no money coming in

 

[editor]

All pubs are locked off, and i presume all staff are now defacto unemployed with no money coming in

I typed this before I heard the Boris edict, but I'm hearing they're in really deep shit and may never come back.

 

[hash tag]

Troubling and shit times all round.

 

[ska invita]

80 percent wages sounds alright considering, but how is that calculated on zero hours? Need to see the detail

 

[hash tag]

Off on a tangent...few people will be in pubs tonight and all closed tomorrow is very concerning, if only because there are thousands of gallons of cask beers about to go off. It only ever lasts for a few days

 

[editor]

80 percent wages sounds alright considering, but how is that calculated on zero hours? Need to see the detail

I very much doubt all the workers will be getting 80% of (their already) shit wages. I know of one person who has worked for a pub company for over 15 years and has just been laid off with no pay off.

 

[equationgirl]

Have they been told to speak to the Redundancy Service (I think that's the name)? They will be entitled to a redundancy payment by law, and potentially payment for their notice period.

 

[editor]

Looks like Antic are fucked

The Antic pub network shrinks dramatically as Brixton’s Effra Social is just one of many venues taken over by Portobello Brewing

The Effra Social is just one of around a third of Antic pubs that are now under new management, with Streatham’s Pratts & Payne, the Old Red Lion (Kennington), Knowles of Norwood, Westow…

www.brixtonbuzz.com

 

[Johnny Doe]

I want to know more about Patisserie Valerie's secret overdrafts.

It's a lot of dough....

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Does that include the Dogstar? or is that run by someone else. Diffiicult for all pubs right now and it won't be normal for at least 6months. That said I went to Ganley's in Morden in September on a saturday afternoon and it was full but with covid measures and seemed to be doing really well, just table service. It was a big space but many pubs just aren't laid out like that.

 

[pbsmooth]

Was there ever a complete list of which ones went? Wondering about the Goathouse in South Norwood but seems impossible to confirm. The place is looking very rundown

 

[ska invita]

BUMP
This is the most recent Antic thread...as already mentioned on urban Antic is in trouble

13 famous London pubs could close as their owner goes into administration

A bunch of legendary London boozers are at risk.

www.timeout.com

The full list of Antic pubs in London that could close​

• Dogstar, Brixton
• Gremio de Brixton, Brixton
• Balham Bowls Club, Balham
• East Dulwich Tavern, East Dulwich
• Tooting Tram and Social, Tooting
• The Sun, Camberwell
• Antelope, Tooting
• Clapton Hart, Clapton
• The Elephant and Castle Pub, Elephant and Castle
• Hagen & Hyde, Balham
• Graveney & Meadow, Tooting
• Red Lion, Leytonstone
• Coopers, Crystal Palace

Im surprsied not to see Goldsmiths in Penge on that list as its often pretty empty and its not small. Whereas Elephant is always really busy. Strange.
I think deserves its own thread as things develop

 

[marty21]

BUMP
This is the most recent Antic thread...as already mentioned on urban Antic is in trouble

13 famous London pubs could close as their owner goes into administration

A bunch of legendary London boozers are at risk.

www.timeout.com

The full list of Antic pubs in London that could close​

• Dogstar, Brixton
• Gremio de Brixton, Brixton
• Balham Bowls Club, Balham
• East Dulwich Tavern, East Dulwich
• Tooting Tram and Social, Tooting
• The Sun, Camberwell
• Antelope, Tooting
• Clapton Hart, Clapton
• The Elephant and Castle Pub, Elephant and Castle
• Hagen & Hyde, Balham
• Graveney & Meadow, Tooting
• Red Lion, Leytonstone
• Coopers, Crystal Palace

Im surprsied not to see Goldsmiths in Penge on that list as its often pretty empty and its not small. Whereas Elephant is always really busy. Strange.
I think deserves its own thread as things develop

I'm in the Clapton Hart a couple of times a week , like it there, massive pub , gets very busy at the weekend, did well out of the football the past month. Hopefully it will continue to open. I think they sold a load of pubs a few years ago as they used to have The White Hart in Stoke Newington too, which has a massive garden & is very busy in the summer.

 

[hash tag]

Whereas Elephant is always really busy.

Im not sure they do food which doesn't help.

 

[pbsmooth]

Some of those pubs are very popular so assume they’d find buyers.

 

[freshapple]

Some of those pubs are very popular so assume they’d find buyers.

Or antic will arrange some kind of a buyback of the popular ones and ditch the low performing pubs

 

[editor]

The Dogstar has been spectacularly under-performing for years, not helped by GMs giving up and leaving or being moved on every six months or so.

I've regularly done sold out shows there but it's ridiculous there now, with the place not being able to afford a single poster for my night (we've had to recycle a four year old poster of mine three times now).

And yes the potential for the place remains huge. I hope it survives in a recognisable format because I've had some cracking nights there as a DJ/promoter/musician/punter.

 

[editor]

Or antic will arrange some kind of a buyback of the popular ones and ditch the low performing pubs

I can't see Antic coming back from this, to be honest.

 

[Callie]

BUMP
This is the most recent Antic thread...as already mentioned on urban Antic is in trouble

13 famous London pubs could close as their owner goes into administration

A bunch of legendary London boozers are at risk.

www.timeout.com

The full list of Antic pubs in London that could close​

• Dogstar, Brixton
• Gremio de Brixton, Brixton
• Balham Bowls Club, Balham
• East Dulwich Tavern, East Dulwich
• Tooting Tram and Social, Tooting
• The Sun, Camberwell
• Antelope, Tooting
• Clapton Hart, Clapton
• The Elephant and Castle Pub, Elephant and Castle
• Hagen & Hyde, Balham
• Graveney & Meadow, Tooting
• Red Lion, Leytonstone
• Coopers, Crystal Palace

Im surprsied not to see Goldsmiths in Penge on that list as its often pretty empty and its not small. Whereas Elephant is always really busy. Strange.
I think deserves its own thread as things develop

Maybe they are looking to sell off the ones where they can make more profit? Not sure that makes any sense though

ETA as others have said

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

I can't see Antic coming back from this, to be honest.

Antic might not but the shareholders will have plenty of stashed past revenues to invest in a new venture.

 

[BusLanes]

The Dogstar has been spectacularly under-performing for years, not helped by GMs giving up and leaving or being moved on every six months or so.

I've regularly done sold out shows there but it's ridiculous there now, with the place not being able to afford a single poster for my night (we've had to recycle a four year old poster of mine three times now).

And yes the potential for the place remains huge. I hope it survives in a recognisable format because I've had some cracking nights there as a DJ/promoter/musician/punter.

It really is bizarre.

 

[marty21]

I was in the Clapton Hart over the weekend - they were having issues with beer deliveries , which staff reckoned was down to this administration.

 

[wtfftw]

Update

Urban Pubs & Bars acquires 11 pub sites in London

Urban Pubs & Bars (UPB), a UK-based hospitality company, has bought 11 London pub sites out of administration from the Antic group.

www.verdictfoodservice.com

The leasehold pubs are the Antelope, Balham Bowls Club, the Clapton Hart, the East Dulwich Tavern, the Elephant & Castle, Hagen & Hyde, the Red Lion and the Sun of Camberwell.


The freehold sites are the Volunteer, the Mews and Linman & Turner.

...

The Dogstar in Brixton, Tooting Tram and Social and Coopers in Crystal Palace were not part of the deal. These sites will continue to operate while administrators engage with potential buyers.

 

[skyscraper101]

The Dogstar in Brixton, Tooting Tram and Social and Coopers in Crystal Palace were not part of the deal. These sites will continue to operate while administrators engage with potential buyers.

Shame about the Dogstar. Were it not for the Urbfest attendees on Saturday it would've been virtually empty.

 

[Callie]

Shame about the Dogstar. Were it not for the Urbfest attendees on Saturday it would've been virtually empty.

The back area was fairly busy (fussball and pool).

Fullers have recently pulled from several pubs across Croydon.
The Spreadeagle - now run by Whelan's group who own several venues across South London I think
The Royal Standard
The Builders Arms

Mystery as Fuller’s exit three Croydon pubs in unseemly hurry

In the second part of his review of the hospitality trade in the borough (yes, dear reader, we sent him on a month-long pub crawl), KEN TOWL explores the reasons for one of London’s biggest a…

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From what I remember of Antic they have been dropping pubs for a while now? (Wallington Arms, Shelverdine Boathouse too?)

 

[BusLanes]

Interesting to see the Whelan's growing. I recall when they just had the Bedford

 

[marty21]

Update

Urban Pubs & Bars acquires 11 pub sites in London

Urban Pubs & Bars (UPB), a UK-based hospitality company, has bought 11 London pub sites out of administration from the Antic group.

www.verdictfoodservice.com

I heard about that from a mate yesterday (She used to work for that pub co) . Popped into the Hart this evening , staff seemed fine about it , they've been working in a dying pub for several months , they were excited about someone spending some money. It has been difficult for them to order beer lately as their credit was shite.

 

[editor]

Somehow Antic are still clinging on to a couple of pubs while I'm unlikely to get paid for my work.

 

[marty21]

Somehow Antic are still clinging on to a couple of pubs while I'm unlikely to get paid for my work.

That's shite .