Kind of like how Italians look on Mussolini
Anti-Japanese sentiment in Asia
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Kind of like how Italians look on Mussolini
it would be spiffing if anyone could offer up any information regarding (what I presume to be) a concerted effort by the ruling class in China to bombard their media/education etc with stories of inhumanity caused during Japans expansion. Does it sound too far fetched for governments to create an external enemy in order to propagate nationalism among its civilians and within it's society mainly as a strengthening tool (of course not, look at the Jingoism that predated the first world war)
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
No just engineer units did very little and then went home were not even allowed to defend themselves were at one point going to need UK forces to defend them on some task. British Army not having any spare soldiers vetoed this as it was dumb. Jokes about building a bridge over the al-shatt were clamped down on by our commanders.
The Yasukuni shrines has some Korean Names on it whose Families are unhappy about it. Not sure if it has any Philippine names if they were the Japanese forces it is possible.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Regular japanese know next to nothing about how batshit evil the imperial japanese regime was and it was,the nazis at least attempted to look after their own troops no such luck if you were in the japanese army officers referred to their conscripts as stamps as thats how much it cost to replace them
They were seen as a bastion against communist china and the soviet union the soviets stole some islands at the end of the war and never gave them back north korea kindnapped a few people off beaches! Because they could
China and taiwan have beefs with japan as well.
Japans well armed and could have nuclear weapons with in months if it wanted them if not sooner
They were seen as a bastion against communist china and the soviet union the soviets stole some islands at the end of the war and never gave them back north korea kindnapped a few people off beaches! Because they could
China and taiwan have beefs with japan as well.Japans well armed and could have nuclear weapons with in months if it wanted them if not sooner
In WW1 Japan treated their prisoners of war better than any other nation. The racism shown towards them at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 together with the rejection of their Racial Equality Proposal at the same conference by the usual suspects had far reaching consequences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal
I'm not saying it directly caused the the rise in militarism and subsequent fascism but imho was certainly a contributory factor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal
I'm not saying it directly caused the the rise in militarism and subsequent fascism but imho was certainly a contributory factor.
There are lots of people still alive who survived and still remember the atrocities inflicted by the Japanese. And their generation taught the next two. Further, unlike Germany, Japan has made no attempt to address its past.
A good friend of mine who was imprisoned in Changi only died last year and he never, ever, bought anything Japanese.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I work with a number of South Koreans - they do not hold complimentary views of the Japanese because of WWII. These are young people so have clearly picked it up from older generations.
I'm assuming that Changi is in Singapore........ Also, they have made no attempt, no attempt whatsoever or the apologies made thus far are not considered sufficient by the nations affected. Speaking of Korea, like I mentioned before the women used by the Japanese army for 'comfort' still protest outside the Japanese embassy in Seoul every Sunday, and yet marriage with a Japanese person is traditionally considered to be as 'normal' as marriage with a Korean. Also the Chinese use a racial epithet for the Koreans which translate as 'Korean club' as the Korea collaborators with the Japanese army we're often fond of beating prisoners/civilians with clubs as the story goes.
I'm assuming that Changi is in Singapore........ Also, they have made no attempt, no attempt whatsoever or the apologies made thus far are not considered sufficient by the nations affected. Speaking of Korea, like I mentioned before the women used by the Japanese army for 'comfort' still protest outside the Japanese embassy in Seoul every Sunday, and yet marriage with a Japanese person is traditionally considered to be as 'normal' as marriage with a Korean; within Korean society. Also the Chinese use a racial epithet for the Koreans which translate as 'Korean club' as Korean collaborators with the Japanese army we're often fond of beating prisoners/civilians with clubs, or so the story goes. P.S. the Chinese have a lot of racial epithets and even in a City as dynamic as Hong Kong they still call African/black people 'black ghosts' and have a toothpaste named 'black man smile'. Though as I know the Koreans have a handy list of racial epithets too.
"Japan's colonial rule was also justified on the basis that the Koreans and Taiwanese were an inferior race needing the guidance of a superior race to bring about civilization and enlightenment of their country.[20][21][22] In 1919, in the year of the Paris Peace Conference the Japanese military brutally suppressed the March 1st Movement which was a Korean nationalist uprising responding to discrimination and oppression by the Japanese. The Japanese never extended equal rights, legal or political, to their colonial subjects."
ReturnOfElfman
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JimW
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I'd read the earlier posts and thought of saying something too, but not sure where to start. May come up with something later.
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
They've probably got an arrangement " We won't say anything about Nanking, You don't mention the Armenian Genocide "
They've probably got an arrangement " We won't say anything about Nanking, You don't mention the Armenian Genocide "
you kept him waiting on that one
ReturnOfElfman
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I'll try give some sort of opinion on this but it's a hard one. I've had various disagreements with people on this.
There is a lot of stuff on TV in China that is about the Sino-Japanese war. I watch a lot of Chinese films and just so much of it seems to be about the war. The films themselves are a mixed bag, sometimes they get a bit overly-sentimental (not sure if it's the correct word) but sometimes the films are great. It's very rare you see any Japanese person portrayed in a positive light though (can't think of any instance I've seen it). But it does seem that there is some sort of push from above to encourage more films and TV programmes to be made about the war, to keep it in public consciousness.
I've been doing a bit of work for an English language newspaper based here and my job is basically to make sure the English is correct and work alongside Chinese university lecturers that teach English to do so. A few weeks ago it had a couple of articles that mentioned the war, which it called it the 'Anti-Japanese' war. I mentioned this to 2 different people I was working with, saying I think it should be called the 'Sino-Japanese' war, which I thought it was generally referred to outside China. This was quickly shot down and they basically said, 'this is China and this is what we call the war, so it can't be changed'. I didn't push them on this but I think it gives a small insight into how people think on the subject.
The people I've spoken to about it generally seem to hold the view that the Japanese government have never apologised about what happened or made little effort to make up for what happened. And every time some right-wing Japanese politician says something controversial on the subject, it seems to get media coverage and riles people up again.
I think most people can see the line between the Japanese government and the general Japanese population though. And any negativity towards Japan is meant for the government (even if they may not make the clear distinction). Japanese culture is quite popular in China and many Japanese people live here without many problems from what I can see. The only time I've really noticed anything was when the anti-Japanese riots kicked off a couple of years ago, which were pretty widely criticised by most people I spoke to about it.
A popular insult here is 'xiao riben', which is something like 'small Japanese'. I've even been called this by a couple of my more 'interesting' primary school students before. A couple of weeks ago, there was an Asian basketball tournament like 5 mins walk from where I live, so I thought I'd go watch a match and went to see China v Japan. I was expecting to hear some anti-Japanese commments but I only heard one guy come out with the 'xiao riben' comment, which he and one other person thought was hilarious, a couple more people laughed at and most people seemed to ignore or not hear. Generally, everyone seemed pretty well behaved and seemed no where near as bad as you would get at a football match in England.
I'm not trying to really give a straight answer to anything said before but just giving some of my perceptions and experiences. My Chinese isn't the best, which means there will be a lot of things I miss around me.
There is a lot of stuff on TV in China that is about the Sino-Japanese war. I watch a lot of Chinese films and just so much of it seems to be about the war. The films themselves are a mixed bag, sometimes they get a bit overly-sentimental (not sure if it's the correct word) but sometimes the films are great. It's very rare you see any Japanese person portrayed in a positive light though (can't think of any instance I've seen it). But it does seem that there is some sort of push from above to encourage more films and TV programmes to be made about the war, to keep it in public consciousness.
I've been doing a bit of work for an English language newspaper based here and my job is basically to make sure the English is correct and work alongside Chinese university lecturers that teach English to do so. A few weeks ago it had a couple of articles that mentioned the war, which it called it the 'Anti-Japanese' war. I mentioned this to 2 different people I was working with, saying I think it should be called the 'Sino-Japanese' war, which I thought it was generally referred to outside China. This was quickly shot down and they basically said, 'this is China and this is what we call the war, so it can't be changed'. I didn't push them on this but I think it gives a small insight into how people think on the subject.
The people I've spoken to about it generally seem to hold the view that the Japanese government have never apologised about what happened or made little effort to make up for what happened. And every time some right-wing Japanese politician says something controversial on the subject, it seems to get media coverage and riles people up again.
I think most people can see the line between the Japanese government and the general Japanese population though. And any negativity towards Japan is meant for the government (even if they may not make the clear distinction). Japanese culture is quite popular in China and many Japanese people live here without many problems from what I can see. The only time I've really noticed anything was when the anti-Japanese riots kicked off a couple of years ago, which were pretty widely criticised by most people I spoke to about it.
A popular insult here is 'xiao riben', which is something like 'small Japanese'. I've even been called this by a couple of my more 'interesting' primary school students before. A couple of weeks ago, there was an Asian basketball tournament like 5 mins walk from where I live, so I thought I'd go watch a match and went to see China v Japan. I was expecting to hear some anti-Japanese commments but I only heard one guy come out with the 'xiao riben' comment, which he and one other person thought was hilarious, a couple more people laughed at and most people seemed to ignore or not hear. Generally, everyone seemed pretty well behaved and seemed no where near as bad as you would get at a football match in England.
I'm not trying to really give a straight answer to anything said before but just giving some of my perceptions and experiences. My Chinese isn't the best, which means there will be a lot of things I miss around me.
ReturnOfElfman
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Also, my wife is Chinese and I can remember watching the film with Christian Bale in about the Nanjing massacre. It just so happened she'd made some veggie sushi for me, which we ate whilst watching the film. It didn't occur to her at the time that we were eating Japanese food and we had a bit of a laugh about it. However, when the riots kicked off a couple of years ago, I remember we went to a free all-you-can-eat buffet in a posh hotel and they had sushi. She really wanted to eat some but was too scared in case someone saw her and criticised here for eating Japanese food.
No and No again. Only a minority of nostalgic fascists have time for Him, the vast majority either condemn the fascist era completely or at a minimum consider it mistaken for the harm it brought to Italy.
2hats
Dust.
In the DPRK the only nationality which trumps the US in the hostility stakes is Japanese.
CyberRose
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I've just been in China and at a bar talking to some (drunk) Chinese tourists one of them told us their friend was Japanese. We asked where in Japan he was from and he said he wasn't Japanese. Turns out "Japanese" was used as an insult, like calling him stupid or something. I'd also seen in some of the guides that some shops in major tourist destinations (which in China are overwhelmingly dominated by Chinese tourists) some shops would have signs outside saying "no Japanese" (and to a much lesser extent "no Americans) though I never saw any (but then they wouldn't be in a language I could read anyway).
That said, I heard from a lot of English teachers that younger Chinese desperately wanted to look Japanese (fashion, hairstyles, etc) so for them to look Japanese was seen as a positive thing.
I didn't pick up any anti-Japanese feelings from anywhere/anyone else in Asia but the Vietnamese detested the Chinese with a passion.
That said, I heard from a lot of English teachers that younger Chinese desperately wanted to look Japanese (fashion, hairstyles, etc) so for them to look Japanese was seen as a positive thing.
I didn't pick up any anti-Japanese feelings from anywhere/anyone else in Asia but the Vietnamese detested the Chinese with a passion.
There we're smaller outbreaks of trouble more recently due the increased tension over those rocks in the Pacific, and you do see the occasional sign on highways declaring how the islands 'belong to China'. Also the signs usually declare 'no dogs and no Japanese beasts in our restaurant' in popular cultural spots places with large numbers of tourists like Guanxi, I've also been a witness to 30 11 year olds cheering the destruction cause by the Japanese tsunami........ This isn't what i'd describe as a healthy attitude.
damn you James Richardson formerly of Gazzetta Dello Italia and currently of BT sport and the Guardian football weekly fame
Seriously though I have had Italians very keen to stress to me the better aspects of Mussolini and what he did for Italy, granted one of them was a Roma fanatic with utter contempt toward people from Bari, Sicily, Napoli etc........... 'dem southerners'
krtek a houby
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Clearly. There's always going to be some amount of bigotry and prejudice. My mom (American) says she would never go to Vietnam "because of what they did to the Americans"
but doesn't seem to have any problems with my Japanese wife. Which is odd, given that my granddad fought in the US navy against the Japanese. We never encountered any hostility in Korea, Taiwan or Indonesia from locals towards us. We have Chinese and Korean friends & colleagues and everyone gets along just fine. Not saying it doesn't happen - we just were lucky enough not to experience it.
Clearly. There's always going to be some amount of bigotry and prejudice. My mom (American) says she would never go to Vietnam "because of what they did to the Americans"
We never encountered any hostility in Korea, Taiwan or Indonesia from locals towards us. We have Chinese and Korean friends & colleagues and everyone gets along just fine. Not saying it doesn't happen - we just were lucky enough not to experience it.
Not many Indo's aware of the green light given by Kissinger to Pak Harto over the events that took place on Timor, or the alleged assistance given to him by the CIA during his military coup in 64. I know many Koreans hold a resentment toward the US but more specifically American GI's. They've had that huge base in Seoul for over half a century and are only now looking at shifting it outside of the capital. There have been cases such as a hit and run which resulted in the death of a Korean and a drunken fight in which a Korean teenager was asphyxiated to death, both by American GI's who were sent back to the US and dealt with there. As you can imagine this upset a few heads.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The anti-Chinese sentiment is a mixture of old grudges and new resentments, whereas the anti-Japanese sentiment is tied almost entirely to the legacy of the "Greater East Asian Co-operation Sphere".
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