Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)

[weepiper]

This is a good article about the background attitudes Elliott Rodgers grew up with.

ahttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...er-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds.html

 

[spanglechick]

A US journalist has blamed Seth Rogen and Judd Apatow:

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/05/2...-suggested-their-films-inspired-elliot-rodger


It's getting more and more like a 'blame a musician' scenario every minute.

http://www.laweekly.com/westcoastso...aused-by-a-crazy-person-not-by-drowning-pools

Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, blamed AC/DC:

http://entertainment.ca.msn.com/music/photos/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=26598194&page=8

If we're getting blamey, I'm surprised no one has pointed out yet that he was a huge fan of game of thrones, especially the books. Violence PLUS dodgy attitudes to women... Of course, no one has, cos it's bollocks.

 

[weltweit]

Am I the only one who had never heard of PUA ....

 

[xenon]

Am I the only one who had never heard of PUA ....

Have you not read this thread. You're about the fourth person to say that? I didn't know what it meant either.

 

[weltweit]

Have you not read this thread. You're about the fourth person to say that? I didn't know what it meant either.

I have read quite a lot of it !!! Obviously not those specific bits though

 

[turing test]

It's Mother Jones, and very good
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

 

[8ball]

This is a good article about the background attitudes Elliott Rodgers grew up with.

ahttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...er-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds.html

This seems more a case of the writer talking about himself for the most part.

 

[nessa239]

I was diagnosed with Aspergers and I can relate to his feelings of alienation and anger. I think that because his Dad was relatively successful in the film industry it would mean he had a lot more drive/ambition/motivation than average ie it had been channelled in a positive direction. Elliot therefore could have been more likely to act on his feelings than others ie he had his Dad's genes to be strongly driven/focused but this went in completely the wrong direction, probably due to him not being able to be successful enough socially due to the Aspergers. If you read his whole manifesto it's heartbreaking but he cut himself off from sources of help through his rigid,arrogant attitude.

 

[8ball]

I think that because his Dad was relatively successful in the film industry it would mean he had a lot more drive/ambition/motivation than average ie it had been channelled in a positive direction.

Or maybe because his Dad was successful he expected things to come easy...

 

[nessa239]

Or maybe because his Dad was successful he expected things to come easy...

That as well, yes. There's some essential element that tips a person over the edge into action though. In his manifesto he talks about throwing his drink over different couples he sees who he hates for making him feel inadequate and he also talks about getting some kind of water gun and filling it with orange juice and using that on a group of people he was jealous of - I wasn't sure he was telling the truth in those parts - they sounded made up to me.

 

[weltweit]

Curiosity got the better of me so I watched two of his videos and read some of his document. It seems he tortured himself mentally from an early age and was a social misfit, almost an outcast. In the last video he seemed confused and almost psychotic, I don't have any doubt he was mentally ill.

It seems wrong someone in his condition could buy guns, don't they have background checks there? And when the police called, why didn't they know he had guns?

 

[8ball]

It seems wrong someone in his condition could buy guns, don't they have background checks there?

Had he done something criminally violent before?

 

[Mikey77]

This is a good article about the background attitudes Elliott Rodgers grew up with.

ahttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...er-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds.html

Utter shit. Someone who uses the term "nerd" as if it is acceptable and doesn't question the pejorative nature of that word or the term "loser" in American culture throughout 30 paragraphs shouldn't be writing at all.

Only on Urban could 5 feminists like that trash article.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If we're getting blamey, I'm surprised no one has pointed out yet that he was a huge fan of game of thrones, especially the books. Violence PLUS dodgy attitudes to women... Of course, no one has, cos it's bollocks.

You just did.

 

[nessa239]

Utter shit. Someone who uses the term "nerd" as if it is acceptable and doesn't question the pejorative nature of that word or the term "loser" in American culture throughout 30 paragraphs shouldn't be writing at all.

Only on Urban could 5 feminists like that trash article.

That's the precise problem though - society will never stop categorising some people as losers/geeks/nerds and these people have a higher than average chance of having a condition like Aspergers, which often makes them temperamentally incapable of coping with the social rejection and then when someone cracks and goes on a shooting spree society washes their hands of them saying 'nothing to do with us - he's a monster!' You can't treat people as outcasts AND expect things to turn out well - that's just not logical

 

[8ball]

I thought 'nerd' and 'geek' had been pretty comprehensively reclaimed (a geek basically being a nerd who can program in machine code).

 

[nessa239]

I thought 'nerd' and 'geek' had been pretty comprehensively reclaimed (a geek basically being a nerd who can program in machine code).

I still find them insulting terms. It's the very fact people feel the need to differentiate that shows there's a problem. The Aspergers diagnosis wasn't in existence before the 1990s so imo there was generally a lot more tolerance of difference before then and things have got worse since. When it's more important than ever to be this week's version of 'cool', people with Aspergers were always going to be left behind. Society being ultra-conformist is the problem, not the individual. American society is more conformist than over here but we're catching up.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If we're getting blamey, I'm surprised no one has pointed out yet that he was a huge fan of game of thrones, especially the books. Violence PLUS dodgy attitudes to women... Of course, no one has, cos it's bollocks.

I saw an NBC report to that effect. It also blamed World of Warcraft. They said he played as much as 14 hours a day. If you do anything for 14 hours a day, its going to warp your perspective. Having that much free time is evidence of someone who didn't have much constructive going on in their life.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I thought 'nerd' and 'geek' had been pretty comprehensively reclaimed (a geek basically being a nerd who can program in machine code).

It is indeed possible to be both a feminist and a nerd.

 

[nessa239]

I saw an NBC report to that effect. It also blamed World of Warcraft. They said he played as much as 14 hours a day. If you do anything for 14 hours a day, its going to warp your perspective.

I think playing these games endlessly is more of a symptom of being isolated than the actual cause of the shootings. World of Warcraft was one of the few social outlets he had in life a lot of the time as he played online with several friends.

 

[nessa239]

It is indeed possible to be both a feminist and a nerd.

But what is the standard derogatory term for the non-nerd?

I have my own name for them

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

But what is the standard derogatory term for the non-nerd?

I have my own name for them

I've heard the word "mundane" passed around, but I wouldn't use it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Only on Urban could 5 feminists like that trash article.

What do you call a man who is not a feminist?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think playing these games endlessly is more of a symptom of being isolated than the actual cause of the shootings. World of Warcraft was one of the few social outlets he had in life a lot of the time as he played online with several friends.

Oh absolutely. I'm not blaming WoW. I'm just pointing out that he had a serious imbalance in his life.

 

[Mikey77]

society will never stop categorising some people as losers/geeks/nerds and these people have a higher than average chance of having a condition like Aspergers, which often makes them temperamentally incapable of coping with the social rejection and then when someone cracks and goes on a shooting spree society washes their hands of them saying 'nothing to do with us - he's a monster!'

That's part of the sick problem. The other side of it is you are a "loser" precisely because you are a virgin and have not had a relationship. Then when the said loser starts to focus on the lack of a partner he is the one who has supposedly made the choice on what criteria his "self-esteem" should be based on. There is a sick game in society that rubs it in for the "loser", but it is widespread. MTV culture, bling etc. You can call it misogyny depending on your agenda, but both men and women want to flaunt their success, relationships, looks etc. and at the same time label the next person negatively them to push themselves up the ladder. It's both a media and social phenomena.

 

[discokermit]

Only on Urban could 5 feminists like that trash article.

why don't you fuck off then? you cunt.

 

[Mikey77]

why don't you fuck off then? you cunt.

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[nessa239]

That's part of the sick problem. The other side of it is you are a "loser" precisely because you are a virgin and have not had a relationship. Then when the said loser starts to focus on the lack of a partner he is the one who has supposedly made the choice on what criteria his "self-esteem" should be based on. There is a sick game in society that rubs it in for the "loser", but it is widespread. MTV culture, bling etc. You can call it misogyny depending on your agenda, but both men and women want to flaunt their success, relationships, looks etc. and at the same time label the next person negatively them to push themselves up the ladder. It's both a media and social phenomena.

I totally agree. It's 'survival of the fittest' in action unfortunately. We have things a lot easier physically in today's society but far worse mentally in my opinion.

 

[discokermit]

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though not answered.

 

[discokermit]

and take your fedora with you.