Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm surprised we don't get more nuns and priests doing spree killings then.

(I'm aiming that at the headline, not you)

Are most priests or nuns virgins? How many have "housekeepers" or are very close with other priests? A fair few, I'd guess.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I am half way through his manifesto, the guy had major issues from an early age. But that is still no excuse for what he did. Mental health care in the USA is failing a lot of people. Just all very sad and avoidable.

I tend to agree with this in general, however, all the evidence I've seen suggests that he had fairly well off parents paying for the best care available.

 

[DotCommunist]

nuns have the reputation of being sadistic educators, priests of liking altar boys.

its a silly point anyway. religious celibacy is a self imposed stricture taken as a vow to honour god (by ignoring his words 'go forth and multiply' lol)

thus there is, or should be, a certan management of ones sexual urges that does not include diddling or raping or even visiting a sex worker.

This fella was in no such chosen celibacy so its not comparable

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

nuns have the reputation of being sadistic educators, priests of liking altar boys.

its a silly point anyway. religious celibacy is a self imposed stricture taken as a vow to honour god (by ignoring his words 'go forth and multiply' lol)

thus there is, or should be, a certan management of ones sexual urges that does not include diddling or raping or even visiting a sex worker.

This fella was in no such chosen celibacy so its not comparable

Absolutely agree. I'm certain it was the repeated rejection that stung more than not getting sex.

 

[ViolentPanda]

But if "entitlement" is a real idea, why should anything change. Why would we change to allow for men to have more chance of a partner?

I think men make the point that women also complain about not finding men to marry,finding a "good man", asking their partner to have kids even when he is not interested. Entitlement would seem to work both ways, but the issue is why should anything change or even be addressed if "non-entitled" sexual beings are truly not entitled?

It's not about an actual existing entitlement, it's about the fact that some people - in the case under discussion, a male- feel a strong sense of entitlement to something which in reality has to be earned/worked toward.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They knew how to deal with the likes of you, anyway.

Stop picking on the person.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

in the 60s, on home ground

South Vietnam was not home ground for the NVA.

 

[DotCommunist]

South Vietnam was not home ground for the NVA.

he was talking about the viet cong, not nathaniel victor.

 

[Idris2002]

he was talking about the viet cong, not nathaniel victor.

Clearly, he wasn't there.

 

[Idris2002]

Stop picking on the person.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

he was talking about the viet cong, not nathaniel victor.

The 'Viet Cong' was for the most part, the NVA. They maintained this fiction to allow the North to deny the fact that they were in fact at war with the South, and with the US.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Maybe you're right: the thread is at 20 pages - maybe it's time for it to degenerate into the inevitable bunfight.

 

[DotCommunist]

The 'Viet Cong' was for the most part, the NVA. They maintained this fiction to allow the North to deny the fact that they were in fact at war with the South, and with the US.

Sgt. Frantz: All right, listen up. You people will not die on me in combat. You fucking new guys will do everything you can to prove me wrong. You'll walk on trails, kick cans, sleep on guard, smoke dope and diddely-bop through the bush like you were back on the block. Or on guard at night you'll write letters, play with your organ, and think of your girl back home. Forget her. Right now, some hair head has her on her back and is telling her to fuck for peace. This is Han. Those of you who are foolish will think of him as 'gook,' 'slope,' 'slant' or 'dink.' He is your enemy. He came over on the Chieu Hoi programme, and after he fattens himself on C-rations he will be hunting your young asses in the Ashau Valley. Now forget about this Viet Cong shit. What you'll encounter out there is hard core NVA, North Vietnamese. Highly motivated, highly trained and well equipped. If you meet Han or his cousins, you will give him respect and refer to those little bastards as 'Nathanial Victor.' Meet him twice, and survive, and you will refer to him as 'MISTER Nathanial Victor.' Now people, I am sick and tired of filling body bags with your dumb fucking mistakes.

 

[laptop]

So... several attempts at massive derails from the topic, which was the culture of misogyny that led to six being murdered...

 

[likesfish]

No more than bloke was seriously wrong in the head.
He got obssessed about sex and his lack of it.
It could have been muslims/ the feds/ shiny paper /the UN/ jews.
Plus he liven in a country where he could buy pistols

 

[rekil]

So... several attempts at massive derails from the topic, which was the culture of misogyny that led to six being murdered...

Some good posts (particularly from Red Cat imo, quality poster) amongst the dross and oddball stuff tbf.

 

[laptop]

No more than bloke was seriously wrong in the head.
He got obssessed about sex and his lack of it.
It could have been muslims/ the feds/ shiny paper /the UN/ jews.

But if it'd been one of those, the topic would have been the culture of islamophobia / paranoia / papyrophobia / paranoia / anti-semitism that led to six being murdered...

(The fact that "papyrophobia" isn't a word, yet, is a clue here. His head-wrongness didn't happen in isolation. It was fed.)

 

[dilute micro]

No more than bloke was seriously wrong in the head.
He got obssessed about sex and his lack of it.
It could have been muslims/ the feds/ shiny paper /the UN/ jews.
Plus he liven in a country where he could buy pistols

The knife proved a better weapon in this case.

 

[likesfish]

Fortunatly the nutter spent more time ranting online than at the range, its actually quite hard to hit anything with a pistol even at close range unless you put in a lot of practice which fortunatly "mr awesome" couldnt be bothered with.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Absolutely agree. I'm certain it was the repeated rejection that stung more than not getting sex.

Maybe I wasn't very cIear but that was the point I was trying to make - the headIine in that articIe at Ieast suggested it was his virginity that was to bIame. I made the (deIiberateIy fatuous) comparison with nuns and priests with that in mind.

 

[seventh bullet]

The Viet Cong did OK.

They got hammered by the Tet counter-attacks.

The 'Viet Cong' was for the most part, the NVA. They maintained this fiction to allow the North to deny the fact that they were in fact at war with the South, and with the US.

No they weren't. The front (with its own party) was VWP connected but not the same as the regular army of the DRV.

But, this is clearly for ANOTHER THREAD.

 

[Mikey77]

Who allows a beautiful kid like this to become detached from society? What kind of parenting, mental health system and culture do we have when this kid gets started on as a strange loser after a certain age.

 

[spanglechick]

Who allows a beautiful kid like this to become detached from society? What kind of parenting, mental health system and culture do we have when this kid gets started on as a strange loser after a certain age.

is it always avoidable, then?

and what does the way he looks have to do with anything?

 

[Mikey77]

is it always avoidable, then?

and what does the way he looks have to do with anything?

I take it you're a minger then. What cold hearted person would pour scorn on a photo of a little boy.

 

[fishfinger]

I take it you're a minger then. What cold hearted person would pour scorn on a photo of a little boy.

Piss off you fucking idiot.

 

[spanglechick]

I take it you're a minger then. What cold hearted person would pour scorn on a photo of a little boy.

wtf? fancy answering either of my on-topic questions?

or this third one: what have my looks got to do with anything?

 

[DotCommunist]

you're a dickhead

 

[weltweit]

I don't know much about this particular individual, I am sure it is complex, I do know perfectly normal kids can have trouble socialising, and can be or feel excluded for all sorts of reasons.

 

[weepiper]

I take it you're a minger then. What cold hearted person would pour scorn on a photo of a little boy.

you've been trying all day and still not banned. What a crap troll you are.

 

[Belushi]

I take it you're a minger then. What cold hearted person would pour scorn on a photo of a little boy.

You sad sad prick.