DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
so in loon land the russians DID hack the american election and the brexit vote but this, a bit of old school wetwork, this they are innocent of? Its hard keeping track
Another Russian spy hit?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's the Liberal loons on the first part. It's the anti american stalinists on the latter.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Only if you can't think...
So, these Machiavellian types at Porton Down - where do think they live? Where do you think they go for a pizza at the weekend? Where do you think their kids play?
Does it begin to occur to you that perhaps the least likely place on earth that people from Porton Down are going to spread out a nerve agent is the place they live and socialise, and the places their children play and go to school?
Or are you a weapons grade fucknugget with the intellect of a house brick?
DaRealSpoon
Do not try and bend the spoon...
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Fair play, but you'd have had plenty of bell-ended company on this thread so forgive me for taking you at your word.I was taking the piss mate...
Hook, line and copy of Angling Times
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Due process re chem/bio attacks mate, due process. Where's my conspiracy? What have I alleged? You're the one shouting about who is guilty/innocent, not me.What are you on about? Any country can expel another country's diplomats if they wish to.
How have I been a cunt about anything.
But yes, if you're a conspiracy theorist I have no wish to take this any further with you.
Asking for reasonable evidence is not ct.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No security on weekends apparently. None at all. So easily deniable...makes you think.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The whole internet went dark with this russian crap after about 4 yesterday. All to achieve...this.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
When due process is blocked or finishes anyway despite non-compliance and obstructions dexter says it's a fit up. They did it with douma and they have just done it with Khan Sheikhoun . No one falls for this rubbish anymore surely?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Christ, the massed ranks of BUF olympia demanding due process.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The only explanation I can think of is that Butchers is working for whoever it is that's trying to frame Russia.
And from the half-deranged ferocity with which he's attacking anyone who suggests that Russia didn't do it, I can only assume he's working with a gun to his head.
And from the half-deranged ferocity with which he's attacking anyone who suggests that Russia didn't do it, I can only assume he's working with a gun to his head.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
But I get the feeling that no matter what they produce, you're not going to buy it anyway.
Put it this way, what do you think is the most likely scenario here? What do you think has happened?
They've just kicked out almost half the Russian diplomats in the country. Why do YOU think they did that?
ruffneck23
front left
and the Russians are gearing up to counter
Russia will expel British diplomats in retaliation for Britain's expulsion of 23 spies
Russia will expel British diplomats in retaliation for Britain's expulsion of 23 spies
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lifting those 1500 banning orders seem like a good move now. It's on.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
A bit rich, coming from someone who accepts everything they (the tories) say without proof and looks to their mates for shit to throw when all I mentioned was due process.
not-bono-ever
meh
course its the Russians. lets be honest, if it was any other group holding this stuff, it would not be a targeted attack on a pair, it would be a whole town getting hit
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It may have been the syrian rebels - they're always chemically attacking everyone but the regime.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I don't know what you're talking about. I've been perfectly polite to you.
So it's a tory conspiracy?
Why do you think this? What are they trying to achieve?
not-bono-ever
meh
as much as I hate to say it, I don't think there is going to be much in the way of hard evidence coming up here to firmly nail it on the Russians - just cos May is an incompetent shite doesn't mean that the UKG are making the wrong call here.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Seems like an attempt not to appear weak, to offer some reassurance to the public about defences on this front, and to play into a broader agenda/ministerial battle about defence spending.
I was somewhat amused by some of the bragging:
Good thing we have the 'purely for defence' caveat otherwise this brag might appear slightly out of tune with prevailing opinions about such methods of warfare.
newbie
undisambiguated
So if Putin is projecting power onto the streets of GB, what realistically is GB to do about it?
Expelling diplomats, whining to some international body, stopping some kids going to public schools and banning named Russians from trips to Harrods only shows just how weak GB is. Oh, and men in suits refusing to watch football. Yet assuming no-one wants to go to war over this, what can a minor power do when picked on by a world class bully without scruples?
Expelling diplomats, whining to some international body, stopping some kids going to public schools and banning named Russians from trips to Harrods only shows just how weak GB is. Oh, and men in suits refusing to watch football. Yet assuming no-one wants to go to war over this, what can a minor power do when picked on by a world class bully without scruples?
2hats
Dust.
Or that an ex-GRU intelligence officer who was reported to have been advising the authorities on Soviet/Russian techniques/methods might hang out somewhere not unadjacent to the centre of gravity of the military-industrial complex?
Indeed we do not know, may never know given the penchant for obsessive security by HMG, what other information they might possess (and may have shared with the US only thus far). For example, analytical details from samples on precursors, scrubber by-products, humint/elint, that clearly points to the source. Of course they might have nothing, but quite possibly there are other clues that will never be divulged to a wider audience but certain persons on either side will be well aware of what their opposites in the dark arts know, and all the rest is just a game for public consumption and distraction.
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not-bono-ever
meh
Also as an aside , I don't have the specifics obviously but generally Corbyn would have been briefed on the situation by the security lot - he is privy council these days.
What’s more believable:
Russia has assassinated a treasonous traitor.
Or
Britain has manufactured it to look that way in order to raise tensions with a military power superior to ourselves whilst losing the support of countless countries when it transpires that this has happened.
Russia has assassinated a treasonous traitor.
Or
Britain has manufactured it to look that way in order to raise tensions with a military power superior to ourselves whilst losing the support of countless countries when it transpires that this has happened.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Not much but even if it was the Somalians killing a dissident in New York, the situation wouldn't be that different, At the end of the day when it comes to disputes between 2 sovereign states the options come down to strongly worded letters, economic sanctions and military action.
The politicians on both sides get to decide how far they want to take this for the sake of one failed assassination, my guess is not that far.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Most believable doesn't necessarily mean true though.
I would be very surprised if this was anyone other than Putin, but then I've been very surprised before and doubtless will be again.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
start by not describing, or thinking of, the UK as a minor power when compared to Russia.
the UK's economy is bigger than Russia's. the UK has far more friends - or those who share the same interests as the UK - as Russia does, and those combined economies dwarf Russia's.
Putin is only a world class bully because people allow him to be - cut Russia out of the global/western financial system and stop buying their gas, and the Russian economy and its ability to strong arm others drops out of the window. added to that the ability of the Russian military to respond is hugely limited: Syria has shown just how limited their ability to project military force is, and thats without interferance. they are strong on their own territory with regards to land warfare, but assuming that no one wants to annex several thousand square Km of Steppe, it doesn't really matter, because at sea and in the air they are decades behind the west in technological terms and their ability to conduct n offensive operations has been see to be far less than they would wish it to be.
as a concrete example, when the Russian Carrier sailed down to the Med to conduct air strikes on Syria it firstly stripped most the Russian fleet of its most able technical people meaning than not much else sailed, but that when it eventually arrived its effect was not far off zero because its aircraft were so unreliable and underpowered, and it then sloped off home - breaking down on the way - having achieved little other than leaving some of its aircraft on the Mediterrean sea bed...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Russia needs the UK to launder its money, and the UK needs the comission on that laundered money. I suspect Russia can more easily replace London than London can replace Russia, so that makes meaningful economic action from the UK unlikely.
