Another Russian spy hit?

[squirrelp]

France wants proof before responding on Britain poisoning affair

 

[DexterTCN]

It's not their MO to take out bystanders in UK assassinations is it?

It's also probably not their MO to sneak a wmd into a foreign country just to kill one retired, spent spy. Why take such a huge risk?

It's an incredible situation, I'm certainly not believing any accusations without strong evidence, of any reasonable sort. Especially not from 'shop an immigrant' May.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So you won't swallow the governments line that Russia did it but you think Russia did it.

Which Russians and what the fuck are we gonna do about it, is the question.

 

[squirrelp]

It's also probably not their MO to sneak a wmd into a foreign country just to kill one retired, spent spy. Why take such a huge risk?

Especially in advance of their World Cup hosting which one would expect them to want to pass off without diplomatic incidents.

On the other hand there might well be actors wishing Russia not to benefit from the upcoming goodwill.

 

[butchersapron]

Especially in advance of their World Cup hosting which one would expect them to want to pass off without diplomatic incidents.

On the other hand there might well be actors wishing Russia not to benefit from the upcoming goodwill.

Why don't you go on a conspiracy forum.

 

[Spymaster]

Which Russians and what the fuck are we gonna do about it, is the question.

Which Russians do you think did it and what would you like done about it?

 

[Spymaster]

It's not their MO to take out bystanders in UK assassinations is it?

It's also probably not their MO to sneak a wmd into a foreign country just to kill one retired, spent spy. Why take such a huge risk?

It's an incredible situation, I'm certainly not believing any accusations without strong evidence, of any reasonable sort. Especially not from 'shop an immigrant' May.

I think you're probably a bit of a loon. I hadn't noticed before.

 

[Kaka Tim]

If it wasn't the russians - their diplomats would be falling over themselves to convince the UK that it wasn't them. But they are not are they? They are pretty much doing the exact opposite. And why would the UK government pretend it was the russians? Are we about to invade?
The russian motive? I guess its a message to russian "traitors" that they are not safe anywhere and its a message to the UK (and other countries) that russia can do what it wants and there is fuck all you can do about it.

 

[Spymaster]

And why would the UK government pretend it was the russians?

To fuck-up the goodwill they're about to get from hosting the world cup apparently!

 

[squirrelp]

If it wasn't the russians - their diplomats would be falling over themselves to convince the UK that it wasn't them.

No, if someone makes a false allegation against you, you don't go running around desperate to plead your innocence, dancing to the tune, that would be weak.

 

[DexterTCN]

If it wasn't the russians - their diplomats would be falling over themselves to convince the UK that it wasn't them. But they are not are they?...

That's not how accusations work.

The accusers provide proof.

 

[butchersapron]

No, if someone makes a false allegation against you, you don't go running around desperate to plead your innocence, dancing to the tune, that would be weak.

Is this the method you used to come to the understanding that the paris, the belgium and american casino attacks were fake?

 

[butchersapron]

That's not how accusations work.

The accusers provide proof.

What a perverted understanding of this concept you have.

 

[Corax]

I'm kinda wondering if it's the kinda thing the Americans might do in order to catalyse Britain into an anti-Russia stance...

A more informed opinion though, is this

Russian to Judgement - Craig Murray

From Putin’s point of view, to assassinate Skripal now seems to have very little motivation. If the Russians have waited eight years to do this, they could have waited until after their World Cup. The Russians have never killed a swapped spy before. Just as diplomats, British and otherwise, are the most ardent upholders of the principle of diplomatic immunity, so security service personnel everywhere are the least likely to wish to destroy a system which can be a key aspect of their own personal security; quite literally spy swaps are their “Get Out of Jail Free” card. You don’t undermine that system – probably terminally – without very good reason.

It is worth noting that the “wicked” Russians gave Skripal a far lighter jail sentence than an American equivalent would have received. If a member of US Military Intelligence had sold, for cash to the Russians, the names of hundreds of US agents and officers operating abroad, the Americans would at the very least jail the person for life, and I strongly suspect would execute them. Skripal just received a jail sentence of 18 years, which is hard to square with the narrative of implacable vindictiveness against him. If the Russians had wanted to make an example, that was the time.

It is much more probable that the reason for this assassination attempt refers to something recent or current, than to spying twenty years ago. Were I the British police, I would inquire very closely into Orbis Intelligence.

I am alarmed by the security, spying and armaments industries’ frenetic efforts to stoke Russophobia and heat up the new cold war. I am especially alarmed at the stream of cold war warrior “experts” dominating the news cycles. I write as someone who believes that agents of the Russian state did assassinate Litvinenko, and that the Russian security services carried out at least some of the apartment bombings that provided the pretext for the brutal assault on Chechnya. I believe the Russian occupation of Crimea and parts of Georgia is illegal. On the other hand, in Syria Russia has saved the Middle East from domination by a new wave of US and Saudi sponsored extreme jihadists.

The naive view of the world as “goodies” and “baddies”, with our own ruling class as the good guys, is for the birds. I witnessed personally in Uzbekistan the willingness of the UK and US security services to accept and validate intelligence they knew to be false in order to pursue their policy objectives. We should be extremely sceptical of their current anti-Russian narrative. There are many possible suspects in this attack.

ETA: I've not knowingly read anything else by Murray, nor have a clue who he is.

 

[butchersapron]

ffs

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Who else could have access to the nerve agent Novickok?
(Not a rhetorical question..)

 

[butchersapron]

Its there in front of you - use your own knowledge. Fucking giving it over to loons. Idiot.

edit: to corax

 

[squirrelp]

Is this the method you used to come to the understanding that the paris, the belgium and american casino attacks were fake?

This is a total misrepresentation and dirty non-sequitur having nothing to do with the thread subject. Go back to your petty insults.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Its there in front of you - use your own knowledge. Fucking giving it over to loons. Idiot.

edit: to corax

...I'm glad you edited that...
I was looking at my duvet thinking..."fuckinell it's there in front of me".

 

[butchersapron]

This is a total misrepresentation and dirty non-sequitur having nothing to do with the thread subject. Go back to your petty insults.

Was it a different method you used to come to that conclusion then?

 

[butchersapron]

...I'm glad you edited that...
I was looking at my duvet thinking..."fuckinell it's there in front of me".

You may prove to be evil yet...

 

[Baronage-Phase]

You may prove to be evil yet...

......

 

[xenon]

Stop quoting Craig Murray FFS.

 

[butchersapron]

Stop quoting Craig Murray FFS.

It literally is their only source. They don't check his sources.

 

[not-bono-ever]

craig murray does wing it a bit doesnt he ?

 

[xenon]

I don’t understand the reticence, assuming there is some, to refer this to the OPCW and yes I agree, Corbin Has fucked up asking about giving the Russians a sample. Inferring that we should.

 

[xenon]

It literally is their only source. They don't check his sources.

It’s not like he hasn’t been critiqued on here a number of times.

 

[butchersapron]

I don’t understand the reticence, assuming there is some, to refer this to the OPCW and yes I agree, Corbin Has fucked up asking about giving the Russians a sample. Inferring that we should.

Because it's done. even having this convo is helping suggest that its not

 

[butchersapron]

It’s not like he hasn’t been critiqued on here a number of times.

They don't count

But fuck me, been a posh lad and ambassador of fuckwhere - on your knees. They say deference died with the 60s. Not with these loons.

 

[Corax]

Like I said, I've no idea who he is. I'm not even particularly interested in the subject, so have no desire to read up on any in-depth analysis. I just thought it an interesting read, after it popped up on FlipBoard, so thought I'd share it in case anyone else did too. Apologies if it's rankled anyone.