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Another Russian spy hit?

ETA: I've not knowingly read anything else by Murray, nor have a clue who he is.
He's a distinguished civil servant turned whistleblower. He was sacked as Ambassador to Uzbekhistan when he blew the whistle on 'extraordinary rendition'.

There is no apology needed for quoting him.
 
A crime should be prosecuted, doesn't matter if its Putin. Definitely guilty. Flagrant.

And why the fuck do they they not allow examination? What I'm saying is they have recently denounced them. Are we too important and prestigious to follow that up, defend the position?

It was only the other week Johnson was saying something along the lines of Russia being a 'malign' influence. Perhaps if we didn't allow stupid toffs with no credibility to mouth off for no reason we would be in a better position.
 
He's a distinguished civil servant turned whistleblower. He was sacked as Ambassador to Uzbekhistan when he blew the whistle on 'extraordinary rendition'.

There is no apology needed for quoting him.
What's this distinguished? It's own follow up answers I suppose. Uzbekistan.
 
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Could it be that that the tories have realised that this ere brexit malarkey is completely doomed and so them and the EU have come up with a cunning plan to rally together against a common foe in order to keep the UK in Europe but save face in backtracking?

Or not.... It's probably not.
 
If you accuse someone of a crime, they're allowed to examine the evidence.
They’re able to see the evidence and they will eventually but there’s absolutely no reason whatsoever to be pandering to a delaying tactic and political gamesmanship at the moment. An ex security services chap was on the radio last night pointing out that this is just the tip of a very large iceberg and that the Putin regime has a form sheet as long as a donkey’s cock for assassinations and espionage that don’t make the mainstream news.

What do you think is more likely here?
 
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But generally it's for the recognised authorities, in this case the OPCW, to administer that process. What you seem to be suggesting seems like the accused can dictate the whole procedure, regardless of what agreed formal mechanisms exist.
Is the UK following those formal mechanisms?

Has the police report been finalised and handed over?

It may be true that it was a Russian act but I'll wait for the evidence of it. The UK has a history of false allegations and manufactured evidence.
 
Is the UK following those formal mechanisms?

Has the police report been finalised and handed over?

It may be true that it was a Russian act but I'll wait for the evidence of it. The UK has a history of false allegations and manufactured evidence.
It'll be another hot day in douma before scum like you accept it.
 
Who else could have access to the nerve agent Novickok?
(Not a rhetorical question..)

most countries with any sort of science lab could knock up a sample the knowledge is out there Porton Down probably has a sample along with everything else horribly lethal.
given a week or so they could wipe out Salisbury and make a very good go of it not sure they still have the spray equipped hunter anymore but could build something lots of knowledge.
but covert use of a nerve agent? they'd point you to a nice comfy room with padded walls for suggesting that they know how dangerous that stuff is some bloke in a self contained space suit is not creeping up on anyone.
 
Especially in advance of their World Cup hosting which one would expect them to want to pass off without diplomatic incidents.

On the other hand there might well be actors wishing Russia not to benefit from the upcoming goodwill.

To be frank a mass boycott of the tournament is probably the only way Russia’s team will get out of the group stages.

We can spin it any daft way we want, but the Kremlin has made it pretty clear this is their game by both leaving a calling card and speaking their intentions out loud.

This is for internal Russian consumption. What the rest of the world think about it is secondary and therefore don’t look for logic that might superficially appeal over here.
 
Is the UK following those formal mechanisms?

Has the police report been finalised and handed over?

It may be true that it was a Russian act but I'll wait for the evidence of it. The UK has a history of false allegations and manufactured evidence.

What do you think is more likely; that the UK has analysed the substance and found it to be Russian made and therefore either deployed or lost by Russia (the regime with plenty of previous for knocking-off dissidents and whose leader has publicly stated that his enemies aren't safe abroad), OR; it's a British security services plot and it's our own spooks who did these people over in a bid to piss on Russia's world cup/smear them/something else?
 
What do you think is more likely; that the UK has analysed the substance and found it to be Russian made and therefore either deployed or lost by Russia (the regime with plenty of previous for knocking-off dissidents and whose leader has publicly stated that his enemies aren't safe abroad), OR; it's a British security services plot and it's our own spooks who did these people over in a bid to piss on Russia's world cup/smear them/something else?
What's that got to do with due process?

Anyway...if you're just going to be a cunt about it don't bother. Not interested.
 
What's that got to do with due process?
What are you on about? Any country can expel another country's diplomats if they wish to.
Anyway...if you're just going to be a cunt about it don't bother. Not interested.
How have I been a cunt about anything. :confused:

But yes, if you're a conspiracy theorist I have no wish to take this any further with you.
 
He's not a full on loon. He's the periphery which is the real target. The people who seem normal at first touch. He used to be a socialist now he's a nationalist. And never the twain shall meet eh...
 
Is the UK following those formal mechanisms?

Has the police report been finalised and handed over?

It may be true that it was a Russian act but I'll wait for the evidence of it. The UK has a history of false allegations and manufactured evidence.
I'm not attempting to defend the present or past behaviour of the UK government, but that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend that Russia doesn't have form for this sort of thing and that Putin's current response is bollocks
 
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