Another Russian spy hit?

[newbie]

depends if you understand the exact difference between 'notified' and 'referred'.

We have also notified the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons about Russia’s use of this nerve agent. And we are working with the police to enable the OPCW to independently verify our analysis.

PM Commons Statement on Salisbury incident response: 14 March 2018 - GOV.UK

 

[agricola]

depends if you understand the exact difference between 'notified' and 'referred'.

PM Commons Statement on Salisbury incident response: 14 March 2018 - GOV.UK

No doubt much midnight oil was burnt coming up with that exact wording. If they haven't it is shameful though, the CWC has some quite strong provisions attached to it and to not use it in a case like this would cause it severe damage (especially as the OPCW only certified that Russia had destroyed all its stocks in September 2017).

 

[moochedit]

I just read May is going to the UN about Russia? I know she is stupid but surely that's a massive own goal? Russia will just swat it away with a veto. China would most likely veto it as well. I wouldn't even be confident these days that the USA and France would support it.

 

[butchersapron]

May must have cursed them for not doing this last year.

 

[agricola]

I just read May is going to the UN about Russia? I know she is stupid but surely that's a massive own goal? Russia will just swat it away with a veto. China would most likely veto it as well. I wouldn't even be confident these days that the USA and France would support it.

I would imagine that is the point, to make some stand in (edit) order to appear that she has done something about it.

 

[donkyboy]

23 expelled is the biggest news. what a lame response.

this wont deter the russians.

 

[agricola]

23 expelled is the biggest news. what a lame response.

this wont deter the russians.

23 expelled is the extent of the response - apart from that new power she will give the Border Agency to detain people suspected of hostile state activity when they try to get into the country (which in and of itself is an interesting thing for a former Home Secretary to admit we do not already do).

 

[teqniq]

'Modest' I surmise the writer is being charitable here.

May's modest response to Skripal attack will not deter Russia | Luke Harding

 

[donkyboy]

'Modest' I surmise the writer is being charitable here.

May's modest response to Skripal attack will not deter Russia | Luke Harding

Just what I said above

 

[Supine]

Hmm

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam - Craig Murray

 

[butchersapron]

How would russian billionaires having to fuck off to toronto or somewhere stop the larger geo-political plans putin and parts of the russian state have?

 

[butchersapron]

Hmm

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam - Craig Murray

Pair of jokers

 

[AnnaKarpik]

Craig Murray again; ah, too slow -

I don't think it hurts to be suspicious about what the government tells us - it's not as though the establishment doesn't have form.

 

[teqniq]

I saw Murray mentioned earlier so I thought I'd go have a look at what he's up to, as I haven't been there for ages. Nothing good it turns out. I stopped reading that article when he got to praising the Russians for ridding Syria of Islamic extremists, somehow overlooking the serial war crimes.

 

[butchersapron]

I saw Murray mentioned earlier so I thought I'd go have a look at what he's up to, as I haven't been there for ages. Nothing good it turn out. I stopped reading that article when he got to praising the Russians for ridding Syria of Islamic extremists, somehow overlooking the serial war crimes.

He's been bouyed by, and so consequently, relies on loons for years now - he is happy to provide. Waste of space.

 

[Supine]

From his article the first quote said "No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)"

Published is very different to the UK knowing the structure or the properties of these chemicals. I don't think he can support the claim that they cannot be fingerprinted by the UK authorities.

 

[agricola]

depends if you understand the exact difference between 'notified' and 'referred'.


PM Commons Statement on Salisbury incident response: 14 March 2018 - GOV.UK

It seems "notified" rather than "referred", at least based on what they have apparently told the Guardian:

The UK government’s response has been that, while it has the option of taking the case to the OPCW, it is under no obligation to do so.

 

[likesfish]

From his article the first quote said "No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)"

Published is very different to the UK knowing the structure or the properties of these chemicals. I don't think he can support the claim that they cannot be fingerprinted by the UK authorities.

open sourcing details of nerve agents what could possibly go wrong with that?
some things we don't need to know

 

[Spymaster]

Corbyn’s being a bit of a dick over this. What would be the point of giving the Russians a sample?

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn’s being a bit of a dick over this. What would be the point of giving the Russians a sample?

#1 to drag it out

OPCW consistently rubbished by russia in syria - as a body, not it's findings. Demands to refer to laughable. Corbyn idiot and i think this will cost him.

 

[2hats]

From his article the first quote said "No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)"

Published is very different to the UK knowing the structure or the properties of these chemicals. I don't think he can support the claim that they cannot be fingerprinted by the UK authorities.

Clearly the US knew what it was looking for in the 1990’s when it was invited to Uzbekistan to clean up novichok production and test facilities which would strongly suggest DSTL also have a pretty good idea too. Methinks Mr Murray might be struggling a little to understand why Dr Black might not want to openly discuss knowledge of fourth generation agents.

Within a couple of more paragraphs Mr Murray then proceeds to demonstrate a complete failure of understanding of how gc-ms analysis is carried out. At that point I gave up with the loon spud.

 

[agricola]

#1 to drag it out

OPCW consistently rubbished by russia in syria - as a body, not it's findings. Demands to refer to laughable. Corbyn idiot and i think this will cost him.

None of that is a reason why we wouldn't report this to them.

 

[butchersapron]

None of that is a reason why we wouldn't report this to them.

It's a response to the report us then.

 

[agricola]

It's a response to the report us then.

Our response is that we are going to show the OPCW our homework though.

I could understand it if we weren't going to have anything to do with the organization because we thought it was useless, but we are going to tell them that Russia has a chemical weapons programme in defiance of their commitments but not do anything about it.

 

[butchersapron]

Our response is that we are going to show the OPCW our homework though.

I could understand it if we weren't going to have anything to do with the organization because we thought it was useless, but we are going to tell them that Russia has a chemical weapons programme in defiance of their commitments but not do anything about it.

As you established - we might. Our states reaction are still outside. It's only russia dependent this time on the cred of the OPCW.

 

[agricola]

As you established - we might. Our states reaction are still outside. It's only russia dependent this time on the cred of the OPCW.

That its only "might" at this stage is the worrying thing, its a terrible stance which is giving them cover and all the loons oxygen.

 

[butchersapron]

That its only "might" at this stage is the worrying thing, its a terrible stance which is giving them cover and all the loons oxygen.

Yes, i agree - i think i confused your posts with someone elses.

 

[squirrelp]

Hmm

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam - Craig Murray

May giving the Russians an ultimatum to 'explain the incident' reminded me of our ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to disarm his WMDs

 

[butchersapron]

twat

 

[butchersapron]

Predictable twat