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Anelka's quenelle

A review of his shit film: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/104436/antisemite-banned-at-cannes

And here a fairly lightweight UK media attempt to chart his descent, ending with:

Despite his attempts to rationalise his position as “populist” and “anti-system” Dieudonné has drifted in recent years into outright Jew-baiting. Despite his positioning on the conspiratorial eft, he has become increasingly close to the far right.

The driving force for the conversion of Dieudonné to extremist politics is unclear. Some critics suggest that his motivation is money. Performances at his own shabby theatre near the Bastille and on his French tours – one of which begins in Nantes next week – are always sold out.

Other critics suggest that Dieudonné is now a politician rather than an entertainer or social commentator. Anne-Sophie Mercier, a TV journalist who published a book on Dieudonné believes that the lurch into anti-Semitism is part of a calculated strategy.

He wants to become a political leader partly of the disaffected left but mostly of young blacks and Muslims, she argues. It is easier to persuade them to hate Jews than to turn them against a white bourgeois society whose material symbols of success they crave.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...nelkas-quenelle-goal-celebration-9030721.html
 
J Ed said:
Someone actually told me that the interim ruler of Egypt Al-Sisi is Jewish but insisted that saying that wasn't anti Semitic because he had no problem with Jews he was just upset that he wasn't being honest about being Jewish. Fucking idiocy.
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Bit like Obama not being honest about his birth certificate? Fuck these people (and I don't for a moment think there's owt wrong with Obama's birth certificate I'm just fed up of these 'arguments'
 
What use are you to anti-fascists now liam if you can't identify what you're fighting? Anyone who calls themselves anti-fascist fighter Or is it just old fucking stories over and over.
 
How widespread is this stuff? Why is this idea gaining currency with the urban French poor when France has such a (relatively) strong left?

It's a bit like the illuminati/conspiracy bullshit that seems to be increasingly popular here and in the US. I absolutely despair.
 
Fedayn said:
You've been given plenty of background and yet you still persist with this idiocy? Or are you still full of pints?
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What exactly is your beef, Fed?

I asked a question. It was answered.

Then I asked a few more. I hope they will be answered in due course.
 
LiamO said:
What exactly is your beef, Fed?

I asked a question. It was answered.

Then I asked a few more. I hope they will be answered in due course.
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Because you seem unable to work what is pretty clear to the rest of us. For someone who is happy to relay their anti-fascist past your inability to see the grubby reality of both Anelkas and Dieudonnes little gesture says more about you than you seem able to realise.
 
are all these young french people meant to be Fascists now? The symbol seems to have different meanings to different people.
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It seems pretty clear what it means to the gurning ghouls on the photos posted earlier next to holocaust memorials.

These people though are apparently taking the piss out of the Cabinet Minister in their midst.

I am curious how it apparently means something entirely different to these young people - and (from links posted on here) to many more.

Like many symbols, it's meaning would appear to depend on who is doing it, where and why... and who is interpreting it's meaning and where and why.
 
Fedayn said:
Because you seem unable to work what is pretty clear to the rest of us. For someone who is happy to relay their anti-fascist past your inability to see the grubby reality of both Anelkas and Dieudonnes little gesture says more about you than you seem able to realise.
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Explain it to me like I am six then.

I am still waiting for someone who actually knows it's origin and history to come along and explain exactly what it was claimed to represent. It would seem perfectly clear what it has come to represent for many.

Was Dieudonnes always dodge or has he shifted rightwards as this has rippled out?

WHY is it popular amongst rebellious youth in France? Are they all just Fascists or does it mean something else to them?
 
Is this a 'do this gesture if you hate Jews' trend?

Israel-Gaza kicked off again recently so maybe this was Anelka "showing solidarity"?
 
Fedayn said:
Which Cabinet Minister is it?
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when the French interior minister and upper Zionist Manuel Valls allowed to take a picture with a group of young people.

Unbeknownst to him, the teenagers showed the Quenelle and so what they think of him.

This one. So what's his story?
 
apparently (according to Wikipedia anyway) he is a right-wing labourite of a conservative catholic persuasion (a French Jack Straw?)

e2a sorry he is apparently a secularist freemason with a conservative catholic lineage.
 
LiamO said:
Explain it to me like I am six then.

I am still waiting for someone who actually knows it's origin and history to come along and explain exactly what it was claimed to represent. It would seem perfectly clear what it has come to represent for many.

Was Dieudonnes always dodge or has he shifted rightwards as this has rippled out?

WHY is it popular amongst rebellious youth in France? Are they all just Fascists or does it mean something else to them?
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Dieudonne 'invented' the gesture, it was from his own arsenal of ideas. He claims it is 'anti-establishment' he claims it is anti-zionist, he denies it is anti-semitic and yet he is involved with Soral, Le Pen, Faurisson. His supporters have developed the game of doing this outside Jewish places of interest/places associated with Jews/the Holocaust. He has no problem with this.... Dots joined?

Dieudonne was originally on the Left, he then used his link with pro-Palestinian causes to make alliances, even electorally, with anti-semitic/far-right/Islamic groups. Like Soral and poujade before him, Dieudonne plays the pro Palestinian not anti-semite card but constantly organises with the anti-semitic far-right.

It's really easy when you try....
 
Fedayn said:
Dieudonne 'invented' the gesture, it was from his own arsenal of ideas. He claims it is 'anti-establishment' he claims it is anti-zionist, he denies it is anti-semitic and yet he is involved with Soral, Le Pen, Faurisson. His supporters have developed the game of doing this outside Jewish places of interest/places associated with Jews/the Holocaust. He has no problem with this.... Dots joined?

Dieudonne was originally on the Left, he then used his link with pro-Palestinian causes to make alliances, even electorally, with anti-semitic/far-right/Islamic groups. Like Soral and poujade before him, Dieudonne plays the pro Palestinian not anti-semite card but constantly organises with the anti-semitic far-right.

It's really easy when you try....
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Thank you for the info.
 
LiamO said:
apparently (according to Wikipedia anyway) he is a right-wing labourite of a conservative catholic persuasion (a French Jack Straw?)

e2a sorry he is apparently a secularist freemason with a conservative catholic lineage.
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He is in the French government that makes him part of 'ZOG' according to these idiots
 
Can you explain to me Fed why it was apparently no big deal when the white footballer did it but is a huge deal now Anelka has done it? What has happened in the meantime?
 
LiamO said:
when the French interior minister and upper Zionist Manuel Valls allowed to take a picture with a group of young people.

Unbeknownst to him, the teenagers showed the Quenelle and so what they think of him.

This one. So what's his story?
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He has Bilderberg links, but was critical of them for their 'Atlanticism'. He is also a Freemason, that alone fits far-right French conspiracy theories. Whether those two points explain the reaction, who knows.
 
LiamO said:
Can you explain to me Fed why it was apparently no big deal when the white footballer did it but is a huge deal now Anelka has done it? What has happened in the meantime?
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The simple explanation is so few people saw it. Similarly with Nasri and Sakho, so few people saw it ergo far less scrutiny and questioning.
 
Fedayn said:
The simple explanation is so few people saw it. Similarly with Nasri and Sakho, so few people saw it ergo far less scrutiny and questioning.
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Sorry, I thought it was done in the French Cup Final. Dunno where I picked that up from, but I think it was a link posted here.

Would still like to see some wheat from the chaff going on though.
 
Fedayn said:
Not all anti-semites are fascist conspiracy theorists. Anti-semitism isn't the preserve of the far-right.
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I was responding to J Ed's ZOG comment.

I know fuck all about the nuances of French society/politics tbh. But I am curious.
 
LiamO said:
when the French interior minister and upper Zionist Manuel Valls allowed to take a picture with a group of young people.

Unbeknownst to him, the teenagers showed the Quenelle and so what they think of him.

This one. So what's his story?
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Wrong photo. Its the one below those words in the article that shows the cabinet minister with a small bunch of young people making the gesture, not the one above it which you posted.

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LiamO said:
Sorry, I thought it was done in the French Cup Final. Dunno where I picked that up from, but I think it was a link posted here.

Would still like to see some wheat from the chaff going on though.
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I believe it was, however, a bit like Italy, it's not the FA Cup by any standards, it doesn't get the same coverage and his team, Montpelier, aren't big news these days.
There is also the possibility that many people were not aware of what it was.

It's simple, it was a gesture, invented by an anti-semite to try and excuse his Jew hatred under the guise of anti-establishment/zionist veneer. The reasons that people believe his 'cover story' could be manifold, it doesn't however make it any less true.
 
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